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Should Iowa have a voter ID law?


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Efforts to prove voter identity didn’t seem to be much of an issue in Linn County on Tuesday, but it didn’t keep voters from taking sides in the ongoing debate over voter identification laws.

Currently, Iowa voters are required to prove citizenship when they register to vote. Official photo identification is not required at the voter’s polling location, unless they are registering to vote that same day.

The debate over voter ID laws heated up in the past few months in Iowa and across the country as the election drew closer. Proponents of the laws say they prevent voter fraud, while opponents claim such a law could deter eligible voters from going to the polls.

Do you think Iowa should have a voter ID law?

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Should Iowa have a voter ID law?
  1. Let me respond to this question with another question – Were there any incidents of voter fraud that could have been prevented with a voter ID law yesterday?

    I don’t know the answer to that, but I expect the answer would be “no”. If I am right, I have another question. Why “fix” a problem that does not exist?

  2. The stated objection to voter ID is the idea that it deters citizens from voting. In each case that this objection has been used in court, the court has found no evidence to support the objection. So……..since that is not a viable objection, it is a most reasonable, mimimal protection of voters right to have their vote count and not be cancelled out by ineligible voters.
    Since The voters themselves want this procedure, and no adverse affects have ever been noted, the voters will must be honored.

    • Williamson,
      You obviously haven’t been following this issue.
      Voter ID laws in state after state after state were put on hold because courts ruled that voter Id laws presented an undue hardship.
      The biggest case was Pennsylvania.
      The “voters themselves want this”. Where are you getting this? Voter ID has been a contentious issue since day one. Voters disagree on this

      • Roberta you will have to prove your claim. ID laws may have been put on hold, But not because they are an undue hardship. So AGAIN your claim is false. What else do you have? The people elected Matt Schultz because he campaigned on implementing a photo ID to Vote. He will be up for election soon and you can run on the promise to weaken the ID requirements. Let the people decide.

    • “The voters themselves want this procedure…” No, we didn’t. Making stuff up doesn’t make it so.
      And you should be the last guy to hide behind the courts. After all, you reject the courts when they supported the Constitution (Varnum), so your credibility is, at best, non-existent.

  3. We don’t need anything more stringent/restrictive than what we already have. The system works.

  4. To what end?  Our attorney general made a concerted and expensive effort to show abuses in our voting process.  He found a number of them.   I am not sure of the circumstances of all of the violations, but here are the ones that made the papers:
    >Born in Mexico, an elderly lady lives her entire life in Califonia then moves to Iowa, changes address and registers to vote.  She claims she is a citizen, but can not produce documentation.  Photo ID at poll would not have helped.  She is who she says she is.   
    >Two felons registered to vote via checking a box when getting driver’s license.  One just checked boxes to finsh quickly, the other thought Culver had restored voting privileges when they completed their sentence.  Photo ID at poll would not have helped.  They were who they said they were.
    >Elderly couple in nursing home got an absentee ballot to vote.  Said they mailed the ballot in late, didn’t think it would count, so they went to the polls.
    Photo ID at poll would not have helped.

    I would suggest there are very few cases of someone voting using another’s identity so as to gain a political advantage.

    I think requiring a photo id at the poll is an unnecessary obstacle that would affect some more than others.  If those hampered showed any commonality: race, socio-economic, religious, ideology,…anything, then one could argue the sole purpose was to disenfranchise a group of voters. 

    • “I think requiring a photo id at the poll is an unnecessary obstacle that would affect some more than others. If those hampered showed any commonality: race, socio-economic, religious, ideology,…anything, then one could argue the sole purpose was to disenfranchise a group of voters”

      I have already addressed this. It has been ruled on by the courts to be a non issue. So………..AGAIN………what other objection is there?

      • Please cite a source for your claim that. “It has been ruled on by the courts to be a non issue.”

        • Nice try Rich, Do your own research and find the court ruling that states photo ID is an undue burden.
          http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/voter-photo-identification-protecting-the-security-of-elections

          I gave in. Here is just one of many.

          • Why should Rich do the research? You made the claim. Why should he be obligated to research to document your claim ?

          • In its unanimous 56-page ruling, the federal judges found that the fees and the cost of traveling for those voters lacking one of the five forms of ID disproportionately affected the poor and minorities. “Moreover, while a 200- to 250-mile trip to and from a D.P.S. office would be a heavy burden for any prospective voter, such a journey would be especially daunting for the working poor,” the decision read, referring to the dozens of counties in Texas that do not have a D.P.S. office.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/court-blocks-tough-voter-id-law-in-texas.html?_r=0

          • If I made a claim and you asked me to cite my source, I would never cite the Huffington Post, Daily Kos or any other liberal bias source. I would only cite a known objective and unbias source. Why do you cite a known bias source, the Heritage Foundation? They have no credibility with me and many other people. Please cite a credible source and don’t ask me to do your work.

          • Nice try, Joel, but Mr Williamson lives in an alternative universe. While you can learn a great deal by answering his arguments with cited reliable sources of information, he’s not going to budge. He is absolutely convinced the sun revolves around the earth and nothing you say is ever going to convince him otherwise.
            You know and I know and everybody else (except Williamson) knows that federal courts repeatedly ruled that voter ID requirements were an undue burden. These laws were quickly passed, poorly thought out, and an obvious and undue burden on not only voters, like my elderly parents, who lacked the required form of ID but also on county election officials who not only had to deal with setting up for the election but also figure out how to deal with all these new requirements.
            My prediction is that whole issue is going to quietly disappear never to be heard from again

          • Rich,
            Even the Heritage Foundation is capable of providing accurate information. The cases cited in the Heritage article were pretty much what the article said they were.
            More to the point, the article is dated July 13, 2011. That’s a year and a half ago. Those rulings were overturned.
            I’m betting that we will not hear much of anything about Voter ID from now on because the purpose of these laws was to disenfranchise demographic groups more likely to vote Democratic than Republican. Except it backfired. Turn-out in targeted groups increased over 2008. People were so angry at the very idea that their right to vote was going to be taken away that they were williing to stand in line for hours.There were some precincts where people were still standing in line at one o’clock in the morning. I don’t know if Florida has been called yet but that’s why the count is running late. This stupid attempt at voter suppression on the part of Governor Scott may well have cost Romney the state.

  5. The Texas Case is an aberation, the judges ‘supposed a lot of stuff with no evidence to support their conclusions, The decision is very narrow applies only to Texas and likely can be avoided by simple changes, like varifiing identity thru a vouching mechanism like Iowa uses
    http://siouxcityjournal.com/article_621af6ce-949c-5604-a66e-84dda1762a28.html
    ■A study by the University of Missouri on turnout in Indiana showed that turnout actually increased by about 2 percentage points overall in Indiana in 2006 in the first election after the voter ID law went into effect
    ■In September 2007, The Heritage Foundation released a study analyzing the 2004 election turnout data for all states. This study found that voter ID laws do not reduce the turnout of voters, including African–Americans and Hispanics.
    ■A study by the University of Delaware and the University of Nebraska–Lincoln examined data from the 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006 elections. At both the aggregate and individual levels, the study found that voter ID laws do not affect turnout, including across racial/ethnic/socioeconomic lines
    ■A survey by American University of registered voters in Maryland, Indiana, and Mississippi to see whether registered voters had photo IDs concluded that “showing a photo ID as a requirement of voting does not appear to be a serious problem in any of the states” because “[a]lmost all registered voters have an acceptable form of photo ID.”
    2010, a Rasmussen poll of likely voters in the United States showed overwhelming support (82 percent) for requiring photo ID in order to vote in elections.
    ■A similar study by John Lott in 2006 also found no effect on voter turnout and, in fact, found an indication that reducing voter fraud (through means such as voter ID) may have a positive impact on voter turnout
    Actual election results in Georgia and Indiana also confirm that suppositions about voter ID hurting minority turnout are incorrect. Turnout in both states increased more dramatically in 2008 in both the presidential preference primary and the general election in the first presidential elections held after their photo ID laws went into effect than they did in some states without photo ID

    So I ask again,,,,,,,,,,,,what are the other objections now that I have proven my point?

    • Williamson,
      We are talking about the effect of voter ID laws on the election of 2012 where we got a sudden rush of laws shoved through at the last minute–like in the summer–without counties being given either the resources or the time to properly implement these laws.
      You cite studies from five, six, eight years ago. And you cite a Rasmussen Poll from 2010 at a point when most people didn’t know anything the issue.
      In person voter fraud is virtually non-existent. Voter registration protocols, including in Iowa, require that people establish that they are who they say they are. And these protocols work just fine

  6. Rich Greer:” Heritage Foundation? They have no credibility with me and many other people.”
    Did you read the link? It is a compilation of research. All carefully footnoted But then actual factual research has little value to you huh?

    “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

    • Williamson,
      The article you cited is from July, 2011. It is way out of date. Those cases all went to appeal which overturned the original decision. It doesn’t matter how careful the research was, the information is no longer valid.

  7. Gee look at that. The cited Pennsylvania case was not stayed because of undue hardship to the poor and minorities, but because there was not enough time to implement.
    Still waiting for something that is wrong with voter ID laws…….still waiting…

    the Pennsylvania case, Simpson, who heard frustrated voters testify about the slow, mistake-prone process of obtaining the cards, said he had expected a greater number of identification cards to have been issued by now.

    “For this reason, I accept (the) argument that in the remaining five weeks before the general election, the gap between the photo IDs issued and the estimated need will not be closed,” the judge said in an 18-page ruling.

  8. Oh I don’t know, seems to me the cited difficulty in making sure that everybody has a state approved voter ID–”voters testify about the slow, mistake-prone process of obtaining the cards”–puts an undue burden not only on voters but also on the state’s DOT, county election officials, and the taxpayers who get to pay for all this foolishness.
    I thought conservatives were into saving taxpayer money, not wasting taxpayer money on imposing unnecessary regulations and restrictions.
    You want omebody to explain what is wrong with voter ID requirements. I want you to explain why we need them

    • Roberta notice that the claim you keep repeating has never been established. The examinations done by academia has never found the problem you proffess. So it is incumbant on you to prove your assertion.
      As far as the govt spending money, as is your pattern, you are ignorant of the purpose of govt. Spending money to carry out the function of govt. like elections, is what taxes are for. Killing babies because a child complicates your life, is not a purpose of government.

      So……..Again………What is the problem with voter ID laws that the people have voted to enact?

  9. Williamson,
    1) What does killing babies have to do with voter ID laws
    2) There was no referendum in any state on voter ID. The people didn’t vote to enact these things, state legislatures did
    3) It is not a function of government to waste my tax money on things that are stupid and unnecessary. I thought Republicans were the ones who were supposed to be fiscally conservative
    4) I still want you to explain why we need them




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