So I’ve been thinking about debates.
I’ve seen a lot of them, although it’s sort of a blur of lecterns and tables and stools, with candidates standing, sitting or strolling around like Oprah. Punches and gaffes. Checked watches and sighs.
I’ve been watching them for as long as I can remember. As a child, I always demanded that bullies give me a full 30 seconds of rebuttal. “Pin the Expectations on the Candidate” was a staple at my birthday parties.
I kid. Mostly. The first debate I ever laid eyes on was in August 1987, when I was 17. It was a Democratic presidential primary debate at the Iowa State Fair. We peeked in for a few minutes. Later, I saw Paul Simon on the midway, probably the last time I’ve seen a snappy bow tie on the midway. Michael Dukakis butted ahead of me in line for a sandwich. Probably why I caucused for Dole.
I actually found an AP news story from that day.
Seven Democratic presidential hopefuls traded gentle economic jabs Sunday in a two-hour debate at the Iowa State Fair, with Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis at the center of much of the fire.
While the seven reserved most of their heavy blows for the Reagan administration, several pressed Dukakis to defend the centerpiece of his campaign: claiming credit for economic revival in his home state.
”The problem with what Governor Dukakis said is it contains no specifics whatsoever,” said Sen. Albert Gore Jr. of Tennessee. ”With all due respect to my friend from Massachusetts, we need some specifics.”
Ah, a Massachusetts governor panned for his lack of specifics. So long ago.
The stakes are always high, we’re told, as they will be Wednesday night when Republican nominee Mitt Romney faces off for the first time against President Obama in Denver.
Some say it could change the game. Some insist we’re so locked in by now that it won’t matter. Besides, we’ve got countless polls to tell us who will win the race. Who needs candidates?
I actually think the first debate should be sooner, maybe around Labor Day. Why should we have to wait so long to see candidates face each other? Once the conventions end, I say, bang, it’s go time. Stop bouncing. Start mixing it up.
Or better yet, let’s have a debate on the final night of both conventions. Can you imagine the intensity of that, with each candidate having to stand before the other’s delegates? Too gladiator for you? I think we’d learn a lot about a candidate’s capacity for composure, and our capacity for civility, or lack thereof.
Maybe I’m just wishing for great debates. I’ve personally covered very few truly memorable ones.
For all the times I’ve walked into a debate hall or a press room in October hoping to see a whiplash moment, I have yet to see one. I have yet to see a candidate on the ropes or fading turn it around in a debate. It’s very tough to construct a comeback. Questions, formats and time constraints all work against a hopeful hoping for a turnaround.
GOP candidate for governor, Doug Gross, couldn’t recapture his summer momentum during debates with Gov. Tom Vilsack in 2002. GOP hopeful Jim Nussle used a final debate to uncork his claim that Democrat Chet Culver had a “secret plan” to bring back TouchPlay lottery games. His Hail Mary bounced harmlessly on the turf.
Culver, four years later, threw roundhouses until he was, literally, red in the face at Terry Branstad. Didn’t matter.
That certainly doesn’t mean it can’t happen. That’s the drama. It’s that “might” that makes the night. There’s a format, but there is really no net. It’s widely believed that George W. Bush was helped a lot by his steady performance against a sighing, eye-rolling Al Gore, whose makeup actually made him look orange during one debate. An Al-o-Lantern. Anything can happen.
Well, except maybe specific, new ideas on how, exactly, these guys would put a wobbly country back on track. I expect new lines of attack and prepackaged zingers delivered to sound spontaneously clever, but stale policy.
Maybe you have thoughts, predictions, outraged rants, etc.
I would like to see a moderator of these debates ask Obama why the taxpayers should be on the hook for any legal bills corporations would incur should they ignore the laws of sequestration, as he requested. Getting re elected at all costs? No matter what it costs the taxpayers? Lawlessness? Does he care so little about this country and it’s laws that he is willing to break them when it suits him? This might not even be an issue if he was a leader and had not tried to pass it off to a super committee.
Thanks Todd for the open thread so some of us can speak, because our journalists will not.
Might as well can the debates (and election) and just set up a nationally-televised, literal battle to the death: arm both candidates with some picturesque medieval weapon such as halberd or mace, and let them swing at each other until just one is still breathing. The winner wouldn’t necessarily be the survivor- the contest decision would rest entirely on style points. Rinse and repeat with the Veep hopefuls…
“Sequestration is the act of removing, separating, or seizing anything from the possession of its owner under process of law for the benefit of creditors or the state”
Sue,
You posted “legal bills corporations would incur should they ignore the laws of sequestration, as he requested”
I haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
Roberta, Get a clue….
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81990.html
P.S. If you only watch/read liberal rags, it’s no wonder you haven’t a clue as to what’s going on in the Obama administration. As a note to ponder while you read the link, Obama originally wanted defense contractors to give 90 day notice of impending lay offs. Oops!
Sue,
I want you to explain what you are talking about. What are these debts that Obama requested these unnamed corporations pay? Or was it not pay? Your grammar is weird. And what has this to do with defense contractors and layoffs?
Obama was DOA regarding the first debate……but what else should we expect without a teleprompter? There is no real debate when a schmuck like Obama has such a horrific record.
I managed a few minutes of the debate and that was about all I could take. Either Mitt Romney was high on something or he has the worst case of Attention Deficit Disorder I’ve seen in a long long time.
I very much doubt last night’s performance is going to do anything other than reinforce what people have already decided
I don’t like being in the same room with people who behave the way Romney behaved last night. He was outlandish, out of control, rude. I don’t want someone like him in the Oval Office making decisions that affect the lives of all us. I just don’t
Obama got “called out” big time last night. It’s the first time in four years he couldn’t hide behind the Liberal Media. The only people “high” on something are the people who continue to support Obama post the worst presidential record in American history. Neither Obama or Liberal hacks have nothing to defend. For most Americans still sitting on the fence they will come down from the four year Obama delusional “high” and kick this goose down the road back to Chicago’s ghettos where he belongs.
The next great chapter of debate Americans shall witness Dumbo The Clown Bidden get shredded by Ryan. What a hoot that’s gonna be!! Whaaaaaaaah!
David,
Hyde Park is not a “ghetto”
If it’s in or near Chicago it’s a ghetto.
Roberta, That’s a lot of opinion for someone that only watched a few minutes. I have a relative that chose to only watch a few minutes of the debate because she didn’t want to miss a first run episode of a cartoon. I suspect Obamas horrible performance was more likely the reason. But if that’s an example of the well misinformed Obama voter, it’s no wonder we are in the mess we are?
Sue,
The transcript of the debate is on-line. I chose not to watch because I find Romney so irritating that it is difficult for me to pay attention to what he is saying. Which means a fair hearing is impossible if I have to listen to the sound of his voice
Now if you want to discuss the substance of the debate rather than the superficialities of style we can do that
Just because Romney crushed Obama in the first debate doesn’t mean it’s far from over. We have a nation of “moochers” ……many who exist on this thread. Their only goal is to maintain their “moochness” lifestyle by sucking the lifeblood out of the nation for their own benefit getting something for nothing. God forbid they would have to go back to work and earn their keep. Working is now a foreign concept on a mass level and it’s very difficult to beat.
Obama…..the all powerfull “Welfare President” is masterful at buying votes in exchange entitlements. The rest of us must stand up to this tyranny or forever loose this country to the worthless moochers.
http://www.ourvoteswillcount.com/