Food stamp (SNAP) funding must be protected in any new farm bill. To be effective, safety nets must stretch when needed, contracting when need shrinks.
Unemployment increased by half over the last four years. Economic growth since the Great Recession has gone only to the top 10 percent of earners. Incomes for the bottom 90 percent continue to fall, as does the value of their assets. The median price of a home this February was 6.2 percent lower than a year ago. Most jobs added during the recovery pay less than those lost in the recession. SNAP participation rose as a result of this increased need, exactly as the system was designed to do.
Cutting SNAP funding, while need remains exceptionally high, would leave millions hungry. Malnutrition in childhood impairs educational outcomes, reduces future earnings, and increases health care costs, none of which are in our common interest.
Iowans should strongly support Sen. Tom Harkin’s efforts to protect nutrition funding in the farm bill, and Sen. Chuck Grassley’s long-term efforts to cap commodity program payments. Savings from capping payments to the largest farms could support funding to feed hungry children.
Ellen Fisher
Cedar Rapids
i agree we need to protect SNAP funding, but I also think we need to revamp eligibility requirements. Right now they are solely income based. That’s why a guy who won a $2 million lottery can be eligible… as long as they have no current “income” they’re eligible. There should also be some kind of “net worth” limitation. I don’t think a family should have to sell their home, unless they have more than one and they’re worth millions (as in one case I seem to remember).
Mr Shotfeel,
I honestly don’t know how that lottery winner managed to collect food stamps after hitting the jackpot because eligibility is determined not just by income but also resources. That guy can’t have $2 million sitting in the bank and still collect foodstamps because he’s over the resource limit.
I can only see three ways this can happen.
1) he holding on to the ticket, hasn’t cashed it yet therefore he has no money, just a peice of paper
2) food stamps are issued on a three month lag. Your food stamp eligibility in, for example, July is determined by your income in May. Therefore, even if the winner cashed in his ticket June 1, he is still eligible to receive food stamps in June and July based on his income in April and May.
3) he put his winnings into accounts that are not easily accessible. Normally pension funds, for example, are not considered a resource because people are supposed to stash that money and not touch it until they retire. Funds can be withdrawn but there are steep penalties for doing so. But this last scenario is problematic because of the amount of money involved
The Yahoo stories on this weren’t real clear on the details
I would also like modification for seasonal workers as well as net worth consideration. Remember, food stamps are for those who can not afford to buy food. If a construction worker doesn’t work, by choice, from November to April, they are eligible for unemployment, food stamps, and who knows what else. At the same time they could be sitting on tens of thousands in equity on their house, own cars worth tens of thousands, etc. I have no problem funding programs, as long as only those that truly need the benefits get it.
I take it, Mr Fisher, that you don’t know many construction workers. While there are some who work only when the weather is good, most prefer to work year round. Got bills to pay.
With regard to what you seem to think are ready funds, equity in a house is zero until the house is sold. And while it is possible to get a home equity loan, it’s hard to do when you haven’t got a job.
As for the car worth “tens of thousands”, people are not required to sell off their primary mode of transportation. Most construction workers I know drive beat up pickups that don’t come near that “tens of thousands” mark.
There’s really no point in someone like yourself trying to micromanage government assistance programs. The intent of these programs is clearly not to put wealthy football coach’s sons in Section 8 housing, but the requirements shouldn’t be so stingy that they effectively prevent people from ever getting out of poverty
You failed to counter a single point, and in fact disclosed another. Yes, programs should help those in poverty, but they should be in poverty. While we are on the subject, I’d also like to see food stamps run more like WIC. Heavy restrictions on what can be bought. NO candy, pop, frozen pizzas, etc. Stick to fruit, vegetables, pastas, meat, milk, cereal, bread, etc.
Mr Fisher,
I think you would be ever so much happier if you would give up this notion that you are entitled to micromanage other people’s lives. What other people eat is really none of your business and besides, the primary function of the food stamp program, administered through the Department of Agriculture since the 1930s, is to subsidise famers, food processors, and grocery stores, not feed the starving.
Qualifying for food stamps is obviously harder than you think And if you are really interested in what the criteria are, you need to either trot on down to the local welfare office and ask them. They have information sheets that will tell you. Or you can go on line.
People are allowed a certain level of resources. They can keep their house if they own because people have to live somewhere. And they can keep their car because if they don’t have transprtation they can’t get to work.
You can also get information on what food stamps will buy and what they won’t. And FYI, candy is off the list.
Rule of thumb, if the food is taxed, you can’t buy it with an EBT card. The cash register computer which is programed to read the RBT card’s magnetic strip won’t let you
Roberta, when a person accepts money that belongs to the tax payers, the tax payers have a right to what say what it can be used for. Normally, I completely agree that it is an individuals right to do what they please, but not if they are taking my money.
I quantify my criteria when I stand in line at the grocery store. I see people dressed better than me, with nicer cars than I have, women carrying Coach Purses, and using EBT cards. If you’re broke, you’re broke. I understand what you’re saying with resources, I just disagree how it is figured.
My wife worked in a grocery store, and yes you can buy candy with EBT cards, but not expensive box candy. Basically, anything with caloric content can be purchased. It’s funny how you tell people on here that they are wrong all the time, and you obviously don’t have a clue yourself.
“Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items”
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/retailers/eligible.htm
“I quantify my criteria when I stand in line at the grocery store. I see people dressed better than me, with nicer cars than I have, women carrying Coach Purses, and using EBT cards. If you’re broke, you’re broke. I understand what you’re saying with resources, I just disagree how it is figured.”
All my life I’ve heard stories of people buying food with food stamps and loading the groceries into Cadillacs. Yet, the people using WIC and food stamps I’ve seen never really match the stereotype. I think it is time to put the myth of the welfare queen to rest.
Roberta, just want to say that I have enjoyed reading your posts. Keep it up.
Joel,
Thank you.
Once something leaves your hands, and is “given” to someone else, it is no longer “yours”. The same reasoning applies to tax dollars. I would prefer MY tax dollars NOT go to fund the insanity known as “The War on Drugs”, but it does. I would rather it NOT go to fund this MidEast fiasco, but it does. So if folks get foodstamps, it is up to the gov’t. to decide what applies and what doesn’t. I was talking to a lady once, who said she was sooo humilated every time she had to buy food with foodstamps, that she finally started dressing in her best clothes, and making sure she was done up, in order to “let people know” that she wasn’t always down on her luck, and that it would merely be a temporary lift ’til she got back on her feet. I have yet to see the coach purse owning, mink coat wearing, stereotype that you speak of. And as far as WHAT they buy? How do you know they arent buying for a special occasion, and eating mac and cheese for the remainder of the month? How about you just keep your nose in your business, and let others mind theirs?
Mr Fisher,
What I said was rule of thumb, any food item that’s taxed cannot be purchased with an EBT card. I don’t normally buy candy, but the last time I did it was taxed.
You can argue the niggley stuff if you like but what is at issue here is what you think is important vs what I think is important.
I think people have a right to privacy, that they have a right to make personal decisions without suffering the condemnation of people who can’t seem to mind their own business.
You have indicated that you believe that privacy, which is a fundamental American value, is somehow dependent on source of income and that you are entitled on that basis to condemn people when they make personal decisions, no matter how trivial, that you don’t like.
.I believe that envy is considered one of the seven deadly siins for a reason. You have indicated that you envy and feel resentment toward total strangers standing in front of you in line at the grocery store because you think that their clothes are better than yours, their car is better than yours and that because they are using an EBt card, they must dress rattier than you do and drive a junkier car than you do, that they must fit your notion of what a poor person must look like.
And you base this on the fact that tax payer money–which you see as your money–pays for that EBT card.
Except it’s not your money. That money belongs to the collective US and how it is spent is determined by our elected representatives. If you have a problem with candy bars, go pester them. If how we, as a nation, spend public money is determined by 350 million individuals all demanding that every dime be spent as they individually see fit, the system’s going to fall apart. We can’t function like that.
What you need to keep in mind is that the food stamp program was originally set up as part of the surplus commodities program during the Great Depression. Its primary purpose was to ensure a market for farm products. Feeding the hungry was just an added benefit.
With regard to that coach purse, you don’t know anything about the woman who had that purse. You don’t know how old the purse is, you don’t know how she got it. And for all you know she’s grocery shopping for a bedridden friend or neighbor or family member who can’t make it to the store because they are sick. It happens
I’m also wondering why it is that conservatives think it’s ok to resent the poor, but when liberals point out that the gap in wealth and income is wider than it’s been since 1929, it’s class envy.
Or is class envy ok only when it’s directed down.
Again, sales tax has nothing to do with food stamps. If it has a caloric value, it’s food. The only real restriction is if it hot or can be eaten within the store.
Privacy – the individual volunteers information to the state to receive the benefit. No privacy in that manner. Also, any action in a public space is open for public view. I’m not going through anyone wallet, just being observant.
Envy – Here is the definition: “The resentful or unhappy feeling of wanting somebody else’s success, good fortune, qualities, or possessions.” Due to the fact that a person is incapable of feeding themselves, I don’t think they are successful or have good fortune. Thus, does not fit the definition of envy. Perhaps revulsion, repulsion, loathing, appalling, or shocking would be more appropriate. None of those are one of the seven deadly sins by the way.
Taxpayer money is my money. I am a taxpayer. I am the government, although a fraction of it. You said I should pester my representatives if I don’t like candy bars, what do you think this forum is. It’s a platform to express my opinion.
Like all government programs, this has ballooned away from the original intent of the program and become something else. This program is now sold to the taxpayers as a form of welfare to ensure that people do not go hungry. However, the requirements are so low, those who have the means to take care of themselves are using the system.
I remember a quote that I think Democrats forgot; “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” You know who said these words don’t you? What party do you think he would belong to today?
Mr Fisher,
I know about the sales tax. There used to be a correlation. Back in the ’70s, virtually all edible stuff was tax free. So it was a good rule of thumb. I’d completely forgotten about changes in the sales tax—was it in the ’90s? But if you want to keep beating on that as evidence of how stupid I am, feel free.
Your topics:
1) Privacy: the information given to the government in applying for assistance is confindential and none of your business. It is likewise none of your business what other people eat or how they choose to pay for it.
2) Envy: you are clearly envious of poor people because they dress better than you, drive nicer cars, and carry Coach purses. Plus they’re getting something you’re not getting. Also, your list–”revulsion, repulsion, loathing, appalling”–falls under the heading “anger” which is, indeedy, one of the seven deadly sins.
3) Taxpayer money: is not your money. It is the fee you pay for goods and services provided by the government. And while this forum may be a place to express your opinion, your elected repreetatives are not reading it.
4) Ballooning government programs: this one was begun during the Great Depression in response to demand. The original surplus commodities program was the government buying excess crops and livestock and destroying them.. This was met with such outrage that the government quickly switched to distributing the food to schools, soup kitchens, food pantries, and destitute women and children and elderly. Eighty years later the program still serves its original purpose.
We’re in a recession. The economy stinks. One of the things that happens when the economy stinks, is the increasing number of people whose income goes south. We have 20 million more people whose income went low enough to qualify them for food stamps than we had five years ago. Nothing ballooned, nothing deviated from original purpose, nobdy is gaming anything.
And yeah, “ask not”. That was John F Kennedy and it was a call to service, not a call for tax cuts or a roll back of New Deal social welfare programs. Its larger context is the New Deal—”From those to whom much has been given, much is expected”. That’s Franklin Roosevelt.
As to which party do I think Kennedy would belong to today? Do you honestly think a man as cool as JFK would be caught dead standing next to the likes of Donald Trump, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney? Do you honestly think a war hero like JFK would be caught in the company of those who have routinly belittled the military service of their political opponents. I assume you know what Joe Walsh is doing to Tammi Duckworth. You want repulsive, that’s repulsive
Your post exposes much about how you view the country. You see the people separate from the government. This is not the case. “of the people, by the people, for the people.” The first part, of the people, means the government is the people. Which means the money the government has is the people’s money. Which means it also belongs to me.
You didn’t really counter any of my other points, other than to rehash your previous faulty argument.
The other thing that worries me was your line, “Do you honestly think a man as cool as JFK…” Being cool has nothing to do with leadership. Being cool has nothing to do with good policies. Being cool is what teenagers are in high school. We are not electing student body president.
Mr Fisher,
The government is there to serve the needs of the people, not the people to serve the needs of the government. It’s that “Promote the General Welfare” thingy.
Furthermore, it is government of the people, by the people, for the people. It is not government of the money, by the money, for the money.
Your tax money is the fee you pay to live in a civilized society. It does not make you better or more important than anybody else, and it does not give you the right to poke your nose in where it doesn’t belong.
If your employer insisted on micromanaging your life just cuz he pays you, you’d have a fit. And rightly so. Just cuz he pays you doesn’t mean he owns you. And just because someone gets government assistence, for whatever reason, doesn’t make that person your property
It would be nice to have the perfect formula that provided that those who are truly in need get help and those who are not, do not. That formula does not exist so we come up with rules and guidelines that are feeble attempts to find the “perfect rule”. We will never get it perfect.
We have a choice. If we error on the side of being too generous, those who are not deserving may get some unmerited benefits. If we error on the side of being to restrictive, those who are truly needy will go without, including malnourished children.
Of course, I want the prefect formula, but if we are going to error, I would rather error on the side of the children that are at risk for malnourishment. That’s how every American should think.
Rich, do you have objections to having it run more like WIC?
I don’t know enough about WIC to respond.
Mr Greer,
I know rnough about WIC to respond.
WIC (Women Infants Children) serves women who are pregnant and / or have children under the age of five. Ir is less a food program and more a well baby program. It includes free clinic visits, pays for vaccinations, provides nutrition counseling, and coupons that can be redeemed for specific types of food—infant formula, milk, cheese, eggs, peanut butter, juice, cereal. Only specific foods can be purchased. For example Total or similar brands of vitamin enriched cereal but not shredded wheat or puffed rice or any sugared cereal. Frozen fruit juice but not fruit drinks. Certain specified types of cheese in blocks, no shredded or sliced or fancy gourmet. The program requires at least two clinic visits per year and monthly in-person pick up.
The program is labor intensive which would make it a hideously expensive replacement for the current EBT program.
Further, since WIC and EBT serve totally different purposes–WIC is health care with food coupons attached; EBT cards are for food only and serve as a subsidy for agriculture, it wouldn’t make any sense to run food stamps as if it were WIC.
One of the ironies here is that our current system of assistance for the poor has us subsidizing employers like WalMart coming and going. WllMart sells food. Food stamps thus provide WalMart customers with money to spend on the food that WalMArt sells. WallMart also provides lots and lots and lots of low wage jobs. Food stamps thus enable WallMart’s underpaid employees to eat which allows WalMart to continue to underpay them.without running the risk of them fainting from hunger on the job.
Remember always
“Healthy slaves make many bricks; sick slaves make fewer; dead slave make none”