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What if … Notre Dame turns Big Ten into Big 13?


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Iowa offensive tackle Duke Slater (bottom of the pile, helmetless) is shown blocking in Iowa's 10-7 win against Notre Dame on Oct. 8, 1921 in Iowa City. Iowa won the mythical national title that year with a 7-0 record, while Notre Dame, which was coached by Knute Rockne, finished 10-1. (Submitted photo/University of Iowa)

With speculation continuing to swirl about conference realignment, it’s time to ponder the Notre Dame/Big Ten question.

While Notre Dame’s football relevance is up for spirited debate these days, nobody can question the value of the Notre Dame brand. The Irish still generate solid television ratings and when they play, people pay attention. Maybe not as much as they did 25 years ago, but Notre Dame still matters in the world of college football.

Let’s say Notre Dame officials decide football independence is an impediment for the Irish to reach the highest level of excellence. And let’s also say that Notre Dame wants to reside in the neighborhood conference and become the Big Ten’s 13th member (instead of the ACC or Big 12).

Now those chances are unlikely after the Irish openly spurned the league once and later on behind closed doors at least one other time. And don’t automatically assume if Notre Dame joins the Big Ten the conference would expand to 14 or 16 schools just to make divisional play easier. After all, this is the league that sat on 11 schools for nearly 20 years.

So if Our Lady joined the Big Ten, how would it fit? Well, here’s a semi-radical (but completely plausible) plan for the Irish to become a full-fledged member, not wreck any rivalries and make the league about as interesting as it gets.

First, you shift to three divisions based on all the tenets of realignment past — competitive equality, rivalry preservation and geography. Here’s a sample:

  • Heartland Division — Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
  • Mission (Michigan/Indiana) Division — Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana, Notre Dame
  • Lakes Division — Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, Northwestern

Then you establish permanent, cross-divisional rivalries (excluding Notre Dame). They include Michigan-Ohio State, Nebraska-Penn State, Wisconsin-Michigan State, Purdue-Illinois, Iowa-Northwestern, Minnesota-Indiana.

While scheduling initially sounds like a bear, it really isn’t. First, each school plays every divisional opponent. Second, the five schools in the Mission play two schools in each of the other two divisions. Third, the Heartland and Lakes schools play two Mission schools and three schools in the opposite four-team division.

As for Notre Dame, let the Irish maintain a similar schedule by playing each of their four divisional mates in the season’s first four weeks. Notre Dame’s regular schedule includes playing Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue in weeks two through four. Why not expand it with Indiana in week one?

Then let the Irish leave open weeks five, six, seven, eight (plus nine during a 14-week season) and 13 for non-Big Ten games or an open date. That would allow Notre Dame to continue its series with USC in the current format, plus open up the middle for traditional games against Navy, Army or Stanford.

As for the title game format, simply place the top two divisional champions in the game. If there’s a tie, go with the current tiebreaker system starting with head-to-head. Yes, it might cause an awkward finish one year but remember it’s the regular season we care about, not the postseason.

I admit this idea is a bit outlandish but in today’s college football world, everything is up for debate.

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What if … Notre Dame turns Big Ten into Big 13?
  1. Scott;
    I like your idea and it is outlandish. I don’t see the Big 10 asking Norte Dame anymore. I think Norte Dame will have to ask the Big Ten to join.

  2. It feels sometimes like ND fancies itself some sort of East Coast elite type of school, so they’d look toward the ACC if the made the move, even though the B1G seems to make the most sense from a geography/history standpoint.

  3. Notre Dame would not be an excellent choice to join the conference. The Irish enjoy a rather sizable tv contract for football. They have no other schools that they have to share their bowl revenue with. They have a special deal with the BCS concerning eligibility for BCS bowls that allows them skip over higher ranked teams. They play a schedule that benefits them by scheduling all 3 service academies and other cream puffs around a couple quality teams. Why would they want to join a conference with all this going for you?

    • Actually, Notre Dame’s television contract pays them quite a bit less than B1G teams receive.

      Notre Dame is locked in with NBC through 2015 @ $15Million per year. The B1G teams got $22Million last year with projected increases again this year.

      Considering the declining ratings of the Notre Dame games (the competing ABC games have been drawing considerably more viewers), it’s doubtful that they’ll get much, if any, bump in pay by extending the contract.

      That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if ND elected to go to the ACC or Big East so as to have an easier path to the national championship game or playoff, as the case may be.

    • Russ,
      ND does not play all three service academies each season, if memory serves that has occurred maybe twice in the past 20+ years. Yes they play Navy every season, but it is a long standing rivalry(albiet one sided until recently) that exists because of the Navy’s opening of a training school during WWII which prevented ND from closing due to the war. ND was an all men’s school then and obviously had trouble meeting enrollment etc due to the war effort.

      ND’s schedule year in and year out is ranked in the top 10-20 in terms of difficulty. I wouldn’t criticize their schedule compared to many/most of the B1G schools who historically play directional schools within their own state, the MAC, or even resort to playing FCS(old DIV 1-AA schools which ND has never done along with only about 3-5 other teams nationally). Additionally outside of the top 3-4 schools in the B1G many of other teams are not very good.

      • Correction that should actually be Fielding Yost and not Crisler for the initial ban of ND into the Western Athletic Conference, and Yost was VERY anti-Catholic. Crisler however would not schedule ND either because of the groundwork laid by Yost.

        Matter of factly the reason ND plays Purdue and MSU and has long standing rivalries with both is because of those two colleges willingness not to discontinue games with the Irish on a regular basis, in direct opposition to UM and OSU who basically ran/run the Big 10 to this day. Michigan State itself was met with a huge opposition for entry into the Big 10 by Michigan back in the day.

        My question is why does Iowa and other schools continue to allow OSU and UM to run roughshod over the rest of the conference? Back in the day UM for instance refused to have away games with other conference members and most games were played in Ann Arbor. I can see why ND would decide not to go into a conference where one or two schools dictate everything to the others. That’s also why I don’t want ND in the Big 12 either, because of Texas monopoly of that conference.

  4. Does Ohio State play weaker schedules than ND? This season the Bucks start with Miami (OH), Central Florida, California, and University of Alabama at Birmingham. It is hard to imagine a top 25 team not starting 4-0 against these teams. Win two more and you’re in a bowl.

  5. I doubt ND will join the Big Integer. The focus on undergraduate work compared to graduate level work as well as other academic differences makes it an unlikely union. ND would have to change areas of its academic mission to fall in line with existing standards held by the larger schools of the B1G.

    In the past Notre Dame was turned down by the B1G, largely due to the efforts of OSU and UM, especially Fritz Crisler who was very anti-Catholic and had gone as far as to no longer schedule the Irish when his teams began to see some loses to ND. Matter of fact ND should in fact be thankful to the B1G for being shut out their conference, which in turn opened them to a much larger national schedule and following, which successfully culminated the program’s rich history and tradition.

    As for where ND will fall in the ever changing world of conference re-alignment, who knows. I’m sure ND will look out for itself, just like every other school. Its funny how everyone decried ND for getting its own TV contract in the 90′s, yet here we are today with money/TV deals being the driving force behind all the chaos college football is experiencing.

  6. interesting debate. it would make logical sense for ND to join the B10. Will they? Remains to be seen. If other conferences expand to 14 or 16 teams, start requiring more league games, that would affect who ND can play, because some of the teams they play now would have to consider dropping them to make room for the extra conference gigs. If you were USC, and you HAD to drop 1 game, is it going to be a sure-win against a UTEP or someone like that at home, or a “we-might-lose” game playing ND? See ya later Irish.

    no doubt ND plays a tough schedule, but for them to join the B10, would take a change in mentality. Each year, Irish fan goes into a season thinking 10-2, 11-1, 9-3 at the worst. Why would they want to go into the big 10 where they regularly get beat, and start seeing 9-3 become 8-4, 7-5? that won’t sit well with Irish fan.

    • The USC/ND rivalry will not get dropped. This is USC’s biggest rivalry besides UCLA, and they have already gotten a guarantee from the PAC 12 that it will not be hindered in any way.

      Every fan with the exception of a total bottom dweller thinks their school has a chance of going 10-2 or better. That’s why you play the games and let the chips fall where they may. No fan of a school with any type of football history is going to be satisfied with .500 or slightly better records. Go to any Hawk board and see the pre-season expectations and what shakes out after a mediocre year……fire Ferentz etc.




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