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“Big Four” is actually a “Reduced Four”

It's more like Big 2 and Little 2 now


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Iowa and Iowa State win. Drake and Northern Iowa lose.

No surprise there. After decades of quietly and not-so-quietly wishing they didn’t play both Drake and UNI every year, and have to play at Drake one year and UNI the next, Iowa and Iowa State have concocted an annual “Big Four” event in Des Moines’ Wells Fargo Center. This year’s debut of the event, which will exist for at least four years, will be Dec. 15.

It is not a tournament. It is a doubleheader.

What it means is this: No more homecourt games against the Hawkeyes and Cyclones for the Panthers and Bulldogs. And, Iowa and ISU will only play Drake and UNI every other year.

This year, Iowa will play UNI and Iowa State plays Drake. Iowa will play Drake the following year, and ISU will face UNI. The alternating will continue each year.

Iowa won’t play Iowa State in the Big Four. Those two teams will continue their series, going back-and-forth from Iowa City to Ames each year.

So, up to 16,110 people will come to Wells Fargo for one day each year. Instead of Drake and UNI getting a guaranteed big home crowd each year by hosting either Iowa or Iowa State, they’ll settle for their piece of the pie from this. Given that ticket prices will range from $25 up to $70, maybe they won’t lose much financially. Maybe.

But the prestige part of losing an annual home game against a state team from either the Big Ten or Big 12? The fun and excitement that has come to those schools each year from a visit by Iowa State or Iowa? That hurts.

It’s not the problem of the bigger schools, right? I guess not.

Besides, it wasn’t much fun for Iowa State to lose to both Drake and UNI last season. Had the Cyclones just won one of those two games, they might have been a No. 7 seed in the NCAA tournament instead of a No. 8, and could have avoided playing Kentucky in Louisville in the second round of the NCAAs.

It wasn’t a joyous deal for Iowa to absorb an 80-60 beating at UNI, either. Then again, the Panthers are the only men’s team from Iowa to have reached the NCAA’s Sweet 16 in the last 10 years.

Iowa is 5-5 against Northern Iowa and 7-3 vs. Drake over the last 10 seasons. Iowa State is 6-4 vs. Drake and 4-6 vs. UNI in the same period.

So we’ll see if this freed-up date for Iowa and ISU leads to the two programs opening up their schedules to play marquee opponents from elsewhere in Basketball Land, or if it just means another date to add one more of the seemingly endless series of nonentities that pass through Iowa City, Ames, and most other major-college towns each November and December.

UNI and Drake had only one choice in this deal: Take the Big 4 agreement. Otherwise, they’d be done playing the Hawkeyes and Cyclones altogether.

Maybe we just got spoiled from all four of our Division I teams playing each other every year. That’s not the way basketball business is conducted in most states. Illinois didn’t play Bradley last season. Indiana didn’t play Indiana State. Michigan didn’t play Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan or Detroit.

Wisconsin did play Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Wisconsin-Green Bay, and the Milwaukee game was on the road. What were the Badgers thinking?

 

Here is the press release on the Big Four:

DES MOINES — The state of Iowa’s four NCAA Division I institutions will stage the “Big Four Classic,” a men’s college basketball doubleheader at Wells Fargo Arena in Des Moines, in December in each of the next four years, the institutions and the Greater Des Moines Convention and Visitors Bureau announced today.

The inaugural Big Four Classic will be staged on Saturday, Dec. 15, 2012, with Iowa State playing Drake and Iowa facing UNI in back-to-back games in the state of Iowa’s premier special events center. Game times have not been finalized, but each contest will be televised live.

“We are proud to host these four outstanding men’s college basketball teams at Wells Fargo Arena. The Big Four Classic will bring friends of the institutions and fans of their teams from across the state to Des Moines for an exciting event the entire Iowa sports community will enjoy,” said Greg Edwards, president and chief executive officer of the Greater Des Moines Convention and Visitors Bureau.

This year’s match-ups will be repeated in 2014. Iowa State will play UNI and Iowa will square off against Drake in 2013 and again in 2015. The four schools will alternate serving as event host. Iowa will serve as host to the inaugural event.

The announcement comes on the heels of a very successful 2011-12 season for all four schools. Each posted a winning record and advanced to postseason play last season.

The Cyclones earned an invitation to the NCAA Tournament, registered a 23-11 record and finished tied for third in the Big 12. Fred Hoiberg’s squad defeated Connecticut in its first round NCAA Tournament game before losing to eventual national champion Kentucky in the South Region.

UNI and Iowa both were extended at-large invitations to the National Invitation Tournament. UNI completed its season with an overall record of 20-14 and a 9-9 mark against Missouri Valley opponents. Ben Jacobson’s Panthers defeated Saint Joseph’s and lost to Drexel in their NIT games.

Iowa completed its season with an overall record of 18-17 that included an 8-10 record against Big Ten opponents. Fran McCaffery’s Hawkeyes defeated Dayton and lost to Oregon in their NIT games.

Drake completed its 2011-12 season with an 18-16 overall record and accepted an invitation to the CIT, where the Bulldogs defeated North Dakota before losing to Rice. Mark Phelps’ Bulldogs were 9-9 against Missouri Valley opponents in 2012.

Each institution will have an equal number of game tickets to distribute, ranging in price from $25 to $70 each. Tickets will be good for admission to both games of the doubleheader and will be made available first to each institution’s season ticket customers and then to other fans of their men’s basketball program. Tickets not sold by the institutions will be placed on sale for the general public through the Wells Fargo Arena box office in early October.

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“Big Four” is actually a “Reduced Four”
  1. Mike,…The Knapp Center at Drake only hold a little over 7,000 people…and the McCleod Center at UNI holds only 6700… So..moving up to an arena that is twice the size just across town for Drake..and just an hour or so away for UNI..I’d say is a plus for more of their fans to come.

    Now granted..I’d love to see this as a tournament..winners play the next day…something that would settle the “Mythical State Champion” each year…

    • Four thousand tickets per school, Todd. And we haven’t been told yet what the financial breakdown will be.

  2. There are precisely 0 reasons for the home and home between all 4 teams to stop. This meeting in Des Moines is the beginning of the end for these teams playing each other, sans Iowa and Iowa State every year. Sad for UNI and Drake…sad for the state.

  3. I think it is revealing that no one has made a very compelling argument for why Iowa or Iowa State has to play UNI and Drake in terms of building a program toward the NCAA tourney, and enhancing their RPI. When looked at from that point of view, there is no question that these contests, over the past 10-20 years have benefited UNI and Drake MUCH more than Iowa and ISU. Iowa and Iowa State have a duty to fund their own programs, build its RPI rating, prepare for conference play and how they choose to do it is there business.

  4. Actually. “Pete Gales,” playing UNI helped Iowa and Iowa State’s RPI more than vice versa for the last six years. Not that the RPI mattered for either one in that time, other than Iowa State this year.

    • ADD much?

      Pete Gales cited the last couple of decades, You cherry-pick the last 5-6 years that have been the worst stretch for Iowa and ISU in a long time.

      So, which teams do you think would benefit the most from a continued home-and-home over the next decade?

      And, of course, you make no mention of the increased conference schedules, the Big 10/ACC Challenge, and the new Big 10/Pac 12 scheduling agreement which, I believe, will lead to a yearly Big 10/Pac 12 basketball matchup similar to the one between the B10 and ACC.

      • James Wright: About your first paragraph: Yes. Every day, some days more than once.

        Paragraph 2: That’s right. It would seem to make more sense to dwell on the last six years of a 20-year period than the first six years. Six years isn’t a blip. UNI going to five NCAA tourneys in the last 10 years isn’t a blip.

        Paragraph 3: UNI and Drake, obviously.

        Paragraph 4: You’re right.

        But my question is: Is there no wiggle room? Maybe there isn’t. As you note, the schedule is filling up. But doesn’t the four D-I teams of Iowa playing each other home-and-away make basketball in this state a little more special?

        I know it’s tilting at windmills, and it isn’t as if it’s a major cause of mine. I’m just sorry to see those games go. To me, if you’re willing to play Missouri Valley Conference teams on the road, it says something good about you. If you beat them on the road, it also says something good about you.

  5. Hi Mike,

    I always love how the powers that be ask the fans for input before making decisions like this. I know I enjoyed offering the Big Ten my thoughts on how the conference should be divided for football and what the names of the new divisions would be and which of the many new conference logos I preferred.

    I was ecstatic when the Iowa Corn Growers asked all of us fans to choose the design of the new Cy-Hawk football trophy. (After the classic fail, they’re actually doing that Saturday at the Iowa spring game.)

    And, of course, it’s wonderful how fans were asked their preferences concerning the states four major college basketball teams and how they should compete with one another.

    Yes, I know, we’re just stupid fans. But we’re the stupid ones who make ALL of this possible. No fans. Nobody plays anybody. Mike, you implied that Iowa and ISU had better upgrade their schedules with the extra date this event allows. Don’t hold your breath. But one thing you can be certain of: The ADs at Iowa and ISU won’t schedule that date until, as usual, they check the pulse of the ticket-buying fan base. That, and the Cubs will win the World Series this year.

  6. I don’t like it. I think it stinks! Iowa and Iowa State have been barely passable as basketball teams the last few years. Now ISU makes the tournament and Iowa gets to the post-season ONCE and they want to jettison the games that the fans in-state find the most appealing. And replace them with what? More home games against Lamar, Coastal Carolina and Campbell? Oh, yeah, local interest oughtta go right through the bleeding roof for those games! I am beginning to doubt that the present University of Iowa is the one I attended years ago. They were never this underhanded.

  7. You say that UNI and Drake could have taken this deal or no longer play Iowa and ISU at all. That’s not right, I’m sure Iowa and ISU would’ve agreed to play UNI and Drake at Carver and Hilton, respectively.

    Do Louisville and Kentucky play home-and-homes with Western Kentucky? Do UW-Madison and Marquette play home-and-homes with UW-Green Bay? Do Notre Dame, Indiana, or Purdue play home-and-homes with Butler? Do any other BCS conference teams play home-and-home series with in state mid-major teams? It makes no sense. I would like to see Iowa and ISU play UNI and Drake every year, but it makes no sense to play home-and-home series. ISU and Iowa have nothing to gain and everything to lose, while Drake and UNI have nothing to lose and everything to gain from a home-and-home series. If UNI and Drake want to play Iowa and ISU so badly, play them at a neutral site or at Carver or Hilton.

    • Andrew, most bigger BCS conference schools obviously don’t have home-and-homes with mid-majors of any kind. Although, Indiana was at Evansville this season. And Wisconsin was at UW-Milwaukee this season. And Michigan State was at Eastern Michigan this season.

      • Thanks, so there is precedence for BCS level teams to play at mid-major, in-state team. The next question is are they part of a home-and-home series or is it more like a 2-to-1 or 3-to-1 series? If they aren’t part of a home-and-home series, then it’s still different than the deal UNI and Drake wanted.




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