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Updated: 16 January 2012 | 4:43 pm in Hawkeye Football, Iowa Hawkeyes, Sports, The Hlog by Mike Hlas

About A.J. Derby: When will the recruitniks learn?

Another former blue-chipper departs early


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First off, I have no qualms about A.J. Derby transferring from Iowa to pursue his collegiate football career elsewhere. In fact, I think his right to do that is covered by the U.S. Constitution. I’ll have to check on that.

To me, it’s Illustration No. 99,999 that fans can get just a little too wrapped up in recruiting. Though the suspicion all along was that he’d attend his hometown university and play in the same football program his father did (and brother does), it was a day of celebration in Hawkeyeland when Derby committed to Iowa.

A.J. Derby

This was a primo recruit, a U.S. Army All-American. All that was left was for Derby to mark his time until it was his turn to take the reins at quarterback, and then do great things.

But his turn to take the reins at quarterback never came, he moved to linebacker, spent several weeks of one season there, and then announced his departure.

I’m still trying to remember the parades that were thrown when Ricky Stanzi cast his lot with the Hawkeyes. Oh, that’s right. There weren’t any.

I could go on with the old, tired spiel about the multi-star recruits that didn’t pan out and the no-name recruits that became Hawkeye heroes. But you’ve heard it all before.

It doesn’t matter. Recruiting is the off-season game in football season. Never mind if Mika’il McCall or Jeff Brinson or A.J. Derby ever make a significant contribution. Never mind if you’d probably win more alumni games at Iowa with less-heralded recruits than with the bluest of blue-chippers.

The two former Hawkeyes with a chance to play in this season’s Super Bowl are safety Tyler Sash of the New York Giants and offensive guard Marshal Yanda of the Baltimore Ravens. Do you remember the Internet live-streamings of their letter-of-intent signings? Me, neither.

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About A.J. Derby: When will the recruitniks learn?
  1. Yes, there are exceptions, but time has shown that, in general, the scouting services get it right. Iowa is an incredible outlier of a program that consistently outperforms its recruiting class, while producing NFL players. Especially in the last few years with the advent of the internet, the scouting has improved a tremendous amount.

    Here’s a link that explains it a bit better:

    http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2011/4/30/2143688/the-best-and-worst-college-programs-and-conferences-at-developing#storyjump

  2. As an addendum, Iowa has successfully recruited 26 4-star recruits. Of those only 13 managed to stay at Iowa for at least 4 years, of those 13, 9 were on the offensive or defensive lines. The loss of that talent effects the product on the field either in depth or top line talent on the field.

  3. I for one am so tired of the saying Iowa puts so many guys in the NFL, who cares? First and foremost they are STUDENTS not football players. Rather know how many graduate and become productive citizens!

  4. The situation with A.J. wouldn’t be so alarming if early player exits from the U of I football program weren’t such a lingering chronic problem. This isn’t a problem created by over zealous Hawk fans, Mike. It is an issue within the program which inevitably is the responsibility of the head coach. A coach who unfortunately now defines transparency by the use of a form letter to explain away a horribly troubling track record of player exits from the program.

  5. Oklahoma, Michigan, ect… ect… must all have “lingering chronic problems” because it’s happening everywhere. Players are more moble than ever and go to where the grass is greener, ala Wisconsin’s QB this year. It helps us sometimes and hurts us other times. Young men change their minds (I switched my major 3 times) good luck to them.

    • lonhawk:

      As has been documented and discussed previously, Iowa isn’t Michigan, Oklahoma, etc. Iowa can’t afford chronic/consistent attrition because they don’t have 2-3 more 3* & 4* waiting in the wings. We have one or maybe TWO 4* guys in each class – unlike the dozen or so that the elites get. So yes, just dismissing us as being the same as other programs doesn’t cut it.

      Perhaps you saw the defensive attrition’s effects last season? What do you think’s going to happen THIS fall?

    • lonhawk:

      Russell Wilson already graduated from NC State. Yes, he could have stayed, but his case isn’t that similar to 19-20 year olds transferring at hurtful rates.

  6. He’s a legacy and probably one of the top athletes on the team. This transfer is different. That Iowa never found a package on offense that could utilize his talents, for even one play, is telling. Under KF, you fit into his system perfectly or you disappear. Skill players are different. They don’t grow on trees and when you have them you find ways to get the ball into their hands. You don’t shove square pegs into round holes.

    KF is going to see what I mean next year and maybe beyond as our defense looks to be falling back dramatically in the talent department and we are loosing the one guy who was able to squeeze a dollar out of 15 cents. (Good luck Norm!)

  7. To all that read about the Hawks only, take note of Ohio St; they kicked three players off their team this week. This is a problem everywhere in college football and to predict the outcome of a game or season has been played or started is very shallow thinking. With that thought process, the Hawks should just pack it up and not play the games.

    • Tom:

      You’re not serious, are you? People can’t just dismiss the idea of comparing Iowa to Ohio St., Oklahoma, etc. in recruiting and then turn around and cite OSU/OK/etc. other teams with attrition issues. As has been reported ad nauseam and used by KF defenders: Iowa is a tough place to recruit to, and that’s why we’re a developmental program. We CANNOT afford to lose higher-level talent year after year; an occasional recruit/player = sure. Six just since August (and more possibly to come before summer), several of them higher-rated, talented guys (who didn’t all get in trouble), and yes, it IS a problem – especially when added to the multiple guys lost the past two years.

      Kelly Demaris:
      Why is Derby’s defection special? If I have to explain, then you’re not a true Hawk fan. I don’t care if he never played a minute – he needed to be here 4-5 years. And you can’t truly believe it’s because of all the extra attention, can you? Did you not follow his (and other 3*+) recruitment?

  8. Isn’t this the same Derby who was arrested for drinking and being a d-bag? Seems that he has a holier then thou attitude, so good riddance to him!

  9. All the excuses and rationalizations in the world won’t gloss over the fact that this program has serious and endemic problems, and they seem to reside in coaching staff/player relations. Skill set players dropping like flies and consistent on field game day lethargy are the symptoms, and the situation is at the point where we must expect an era of second rate performance to continue and worsen. It isn’t unreasonable to now expect things to return to the pre-Fry level of bottom rung play in a B1G that has become much tougher.

    A little sunshine and air clearing is obviously in order. Yet we have a media group and an AD who seem at the least timid and the worst outright afraid of the head coach. Some candor, and self assesment from the staff is very much needed… the sooner the better.

    The Gazette does an outstanding job of covering Iowa football, but right now we need aggressive coverage of the Iowa ‘program’ and promote some accountability. Time to quit whistling in the dark.

    • Amen Paul.

      • Agreed….its time for some heavy duty scrutiny of the Iowa football program from the media..and quite frankly.from the University of Iowa itself.

        There is what is called the “UI Presidential Committee on Athletics” which is supposed to serve as an oversight board for the athletic department.

        It is made up of various non-athletic department members of the UI community–such as faculty, staff alumni, and students.

        They should be immediately tasked into looking at the Iowa football program to find out why so many football players in the past 4-5 years have left the program.

  10. If this isnt the clearest sign that there is a systemic problem within the Iowa football program, Mr. Hlas, I don’t know what else to tell you.

    AJ Derby was a kid that ate, drank, slept and lived for being an Iowa Hawkeye like his father. I believe there are even pictures that have been published that show the Derby boys sitting with their father on the plane to the Holiday Bowl in 1991.

    Let’s remember Mike that Derby was JVB’s backup this season until the public intox incident…so I hardly think that this is an issue that the “recruitniks” were off on AJ Derby’s abilities.

    The Hawkeye staff had every confidence in him as the #2 QB as a redshirt freshman ahead of John Weinke–a junior who’s been in the Iowa program for 3 years now.

    So, calling his abilities into question here I think quite frankly is a red herring.

    Again..there has to be something seriously at issue in the Iowa program right now..and its something that needs to come to the light of day…otherwise I’m afraid its going to to tear this program apart from the inside.

    • A friend of mine opined that he’d like to hear what AJ’s Dad thinks of the situation generaly and regarding AJ. Given the legacy and commitment to “Iowa”.

  11. In any talent-centric, complex organization, attrition per se is often a firing offense. It’s simply not possible to succeed in a competitive environment if the assets — which are the people who walk through the door everyday, not the bricks and mortar — melt away. Attrition is one of the key metrics always used in measuring management effectiveness. Nobody cares why. Senior staff are measured, in part, on their ability to attract *and* retain talent.

    On Broadway, the old saying goes, the producers take out the trash. Why? Because there is no show without the talent.

    Create a hyper-rigid culture such as the one seen now with the KC Chiefs, and soon you will find that the only people who want to hang around are the ones with no other options.

  12. Where is AJ Derby transferring to …? … as I will bet you a nickel that he is going somewhere wher he can play quarterback! If his heart and head are set on playing quarterback, then that is what he should do …

  13. I see a lot of radically upset fans that I’m sure mean well, while I see those like me who are just taking this in stride because we know this happens almost everywhere nowdays, not just Iowa. Maybe some think we don’t compare with Oklahoma, Ohio St., Michigan & others very well but I’d say in recent years [except maybe the last couple] that we stack up pretty well. I’m not a KF defender but I am a bit leary of where we might be without him. Afterall, in his 13 seasons here, we’ve finished in Top Ten more than Hayden Fry ever did in 20. And I love Hayden Fry! I witnessed this program slowly rise out of it’s 1960′s-70′s REAL downtime to become a fairly traditional powerhouse [based on winning seasons, bowl games, etc.If A.J. really wants to transfer & play QB at Coffeeville CC or wherever, let him! I think he has potential to be a good ballplayer but he needs his brother Zach's work ethic. I'm tired of getting all worked up about our attrition & have come to realize there's nothing you can do about it except hope it all works out for everyone involved. It hasn't been all that long ago that we won an Orange Bowl [BCS BS!] & our record vs. SEC teams in bowl games is better than almost all other B1G teams. I’m hopeful we’ll come out of this funk we seem to be in. Go Hawks!

    • Richard:

      I’m in disagreement with the acceptability of the direction/success of the Iowa program for a majority of the past six seasons. I don’t expect or demand 10-win seasons each year but believe that the Iowa program is capable more than just occasional 10-win seasons. Why? Ferentz and crew has done it before and it was terrific as a fan. I also thought after a few frustrating seasons, in 2008 he was turning it around again. 2009 was outstanding and clearly “Iowa’s year” and things were set up for another run, but we all saw what happened in 2010 and then this year.

      Seeing what may be upcoming for the next 2-3 years is fairly scary – especially without Norm. We’ve seen definitively that Iowa is built on defensive prowess and bottom-half to bottom-third offense, so it’s a fairly scary proposition to hope/expect freshmen will be counted on significantly in order for Iowa to have any shot at success.

      As I’ve said before: I’m not looking to replace Ferentz, but his philosophies – and even some of his changes – haven’t been nearly enough to keep Iowa at a level that many believe they could/should be most year = 8-9 wins BEFORE a bowl game, and sometimes running up 10 or even 11 in the “up” years. 7 wins out of 12 is average/mediocre; winning a bowl game nowadays isn’t really what it used to be, not with 32 teams finishing their seasons as “winners”. If Ferentz isn’t able/willing to get things back in that direction pretty soon, then maybe I’ll believe that it’s time for a change at the top. College football has changed fairly rapidly off-the-field with social media, recruiting (which to their credit they have changed and gotten some top recruits – only to have them leave) and public relations, and KF is going to have to catch up.

      RIchard Steffens, no matter what happens with Ferentz – whether he leaves soon or in 10 years – I’m not scared at all about Iowa returning to the 60′s/70′s levels of losing. Why? Iowa was bad for 20 years; Iowa’s been a “winning” program for almost 30 years since. Iowa fans would be nuts to allow it to return to those levels – and the won’t.

      • Mike; I’m in agreement with you for the most part. I’m as loyal & diehard as about anyone you’ve ever met, I bet. But I’m older, disabled & not in the best of health anymore so I guess I was pretty much stating that I’m going to be patient for awhile at least. I love Iowa Football but it’s not LIFE. I’m hopeful that KF does make some necessary changes to move the program back forward again & not backwards as it appears it’s been doing, if for only 2 years now. I WANT 10-11-12 [now] wins per season if we can get them but it’s only going to get tougher with Michigan on the rebound & Nebraska’s not going to settle for many years like their last one [even though I hope we can keep them 'down' awhile longer]. And of course THE ohio state university will be back before too long. You can bet on that. Then mix in teams like Wisconsin, MSU & others that are challenging for the B1G crown fairly regularily nowdays & it isn’t going to get any easier. Back when Hayden built us back up after a very long period of futility, we pretty much only had the ‘Big 2″ to beat out. We emerged out of the “Little 8″ as they [the press & others] called us & have had some fairly good success over the years. I WANT to win, win & win some more but I don’t want to turn into the type of fan that helped see to it that Earl Bruce got fired after losing a Rose Bowl by a point & not getting the national championship. I think we’re on the same page somewhat. I hope for only the best for Iowa football. Go Hawkeyes!

        • Richard:

          Thanks for the response. I appreciate your perspective and you’re right: our patience levels are at different levels for the program right now. I promise now I won’t group you with the “oh woe is Iowa if KF ever leaves, we’ll be worse than the Ray Nagel years, so .500 or so is GREAT!” crowd; please just don’t group me with the nutso “fire KOK, fire Barta, KF should win the national title TWICE a year since he makes so much money!!!” crowd either!

          You are right – we’re not as far apart as it first seemed. Good talking to you!

          • Nice ‘chatting’ with you too, Mike. I think we want the same for Iowa but just have a bit different ways of expressing ourselves. Actually, I just signed up for this the other day. I always enjoyed a buddy of mine bringing the Gazette into work so I’d have better eastern Iowa sports coverage than Don Doxie & his QC-Times would provide. Same with missing Ch.9 over watching Ch.6. Guess we’re just too close to ILLinois! LOL!

  14. I think AJ Derby is probably good enough right now to play or start for a MAC Team or any second-tier Division I school. If Jake Christensen is good enough to start for Western Illinois, then AJ Derby can start for Eastern Illinois … who knows given the opportunity he may be another Tony Romo. If his mind is set on being a Division I quarterback, then he should pursue his dream and he should not let anyone interfer with him pursuing that! Good Luck AJ.

    • Jake actually played for EASTERN Illinois not Western. We played Eastern the year after Jake graduated from their 2 seasons ago in the first game of season during Fry Fest weekend. But I hear what you’re saying.




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