
Iowa quarterback Ricky Stanzi observes the national anthem before the Hawkeyes' game against Ball State on Sept. 25 in Iowa City, Iowa. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)
Communism isn’t as chic as it used to be, but we are talking about Iowa City and the University of Iowa.
There is a possibility that Ricky Stanzi may have sat in on a class with a communist. Yes, the American quarterback, the “Love it or leave it, USA No. 1″ quarterback, might have shared class space with a Marxist, socialist or communist. We are talking Iowa City and the University of Iowa.
“I don’t know how other colleges are, but when you walk around here, you’ve got people . . . you’ve got guys walking around in dresses and just these hippies,” Stanzi said. “They’re doing nothing. There’s the Ped Mall area down there, right in the middle. Those people are going nowhere. Those people are the people who don’t like America.”
And off we go.
The No. 21 Hawkeyes (7-3, 4-2 Big Ten) face off with No. 8 Ohio State (9-1, 5-1) today at Kinnick Stadium. It’s all-American day, basically. The UI plans to air a video salute to Medal of Honor recipient Staff Sgt. Salvatore Giunta and all veterans at Kinnick Stadium. The salute will contain video from Tuesday’s Medal ceremony and likely will air before the game. Giunta was invited to attend Saturday’s Ohio State-Iowa football game, but can’t because of a scheduling conflict, according to Iowa associate athletics director Rick Klatt.
A military fly-over also is scheduled. Also, Iowa wrestling legend and ’72 Olympic gold medalist Dan Gable will serve as the team’s honorary captain this week.
Terrific setting for Stanzi, the quarterback who really does love America.
It’s not an act. It’s not a gag. Yes, Stanzi did pull one of the all-time funnies when thrown an indecipherable question from Fox’s Chris Myers in the postgame of the Hawkeyes’ Orange Bowl victory last January.
“Of course, there’s nothing better than being American,” the Iowa quarterback said to Fox Sports reporter Chris Myers after Iowa’s 24-14 victory over Georgia Tech. “. . . If you don’t love it, leave it. USA, No. 1.”
That was funny, but the sentiment behind it is genuine. Stanzi says this isn’t some extension of Will Ferrell’s “Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby.”
“There’s definitely something real. It’s definitely real,” said Stanzi, one of 26 Hawkeye seniors who’ll play their final game in Kinnick today. “People always talk about it being from “Ricky Bobby.” It wasn’t. It wasn’t a joke. We’re dead serious. That’s literally how we feel.
“It’s not something from Ricky Bobby or trying to be funny on national television. It was something that we talk about a ton. It was the first thing that popped into my mind, because it’s how we feel.”
The “we” here includes Stanzi’s roommates, fullback Brett Morse and linebacker Jeff Tarpinian. They vouch 100 percent for the Stanzi’s American fervor.
They’ve seen the rants, sometimes public, that back it up.
Tarpinian is from Omaha, so the trio made the College World Series a regular summer trip. They walked through the concourse and a gate area. People cut in line and there was some chaos.
Stanzi happened to be wearing a T-shirt from Tarpinian’s high school, Millard North. It was from their student section at football games. It’s black with ‘security’ on the back.
There’s cutting in line. Tempers rise. The national anthem starts inside the stadium.
“Some guy from the line, ‘Hey, security! Security! What’s going on? Everyone is cutting us!’ ” Morse said. ”Someone in line who was getting cut thought that Rick was the security guy. They start yelling at Rick when the whole place is quiet during the national anthem.
“I think you can imagine how he felt about that. He turned around and let that guy have a piece of his mind. It was definitely one of the top five hardest I’ve ever laughed.”
Again, a tint of comedy, but it’s real. Stanzi said he grew up in a family that valued patriotism.
Stanzi’s dad, Joe, was in the Army. His uncle, John Stanzi, fought in the Vietnam war. His grandfather also was in the service, he said. “There’s probably one person in every family,” he said.
“There was alway an American flag hanging up in the house,” he said. “There was always one hanging up outside. There was a lot of patriotic talk and having a lot of pride in your country and the freedom and not taking things for granted and working hard. You just kind of adopt those things.”
There is some “moto” to Stanzi, sure. His moped sports an American flag and is covered in USA stickers. He yells out in the Iowa weightroom when Bruce Springsteen’s “Born in the USA” comes on or when the “Rocky” theme kicks in.
“That’s just the way he is,” Tarpinian said. “It was the way he was raised, it’s the way his family is. He really respects our country and he’s proud to be an American. Yeah, on the stage at the Orange Bowl, that was him being kind of goofy, but he does love America. There’s no doubt about that.”
Even Stanzi admits this thing has taken a life of its own. There’s even a UI licensed “Love it or leave it” T-shirt. The senior class poster is all Americana, “It’s a Hawkeye Football Nation: Love it or Leave it.” Stanzi is holding the American flag in it, by the way.
“Everybody I live with is just like I am,” Stanzi said. “We’re always talking about it and it tends to take off from there. It turns into a quote and the next thing you know there are T-shirts.
“Little stuff over time has added up and now it’s just exploded and everybody’s just running with it. It’s fun. It’s great.”
It’s not a patriot act. It’s not a joke. Take the topic up with Stanzi. Soon, you will find yourself in the throes of a passionate discourse, aka rant.
Thus, the Ped Mall commentary. Right or wrong, agree or disagree, it’s Stanzi.
“They always find something wrong with [America]. They’re the problem,” Stanzi said. “They’re the people who need to change and figure it out. They need to get it together and work hard.
“The people who are doing things right and working hard, they don’t complain because there’s no point in complaining. When something happens to you, you take it on the chin and keep moving forward.”
If you need further verification, Stanzi does have “Made in the USA 1987″ tattooed on his back.
“I didn’t know if he was joking when I first got here, but when you see a ‘Made in the USA 1987′ on his back, you know he’s pretty serious,” safety Tyler Sash said.
Oh, he serious.
Not arguing for or against, but please consider the young man’s outreach. This is the tip of the iceberg.
Extra quotage
Raw quotes and notes for this story.
Stanzi
From my family. My aunt who’s on my arm was extremely patriotic. She was kind of the frontrunner in the family for all the patriotism. But just the way that I was raised, my dad, my aunt, my mother. Always American flags around. Always with that patriotic mindset. July 4th is the best holiday. Little things that you kind of build up and almost take for granted when you grow up. You don’t think about it. There was alway an American flag hanging up in the house. There was always one hanging up outside. There was a lot of patriotic talk and having a lot of pride in your country and the freedom and not taking things for granted and working hard. You just kind of adopt those things. Then you come here and there are more guys like you, who’ve been raised that way. You talk about it. Everybody I live with is just like I am. We’re always talking about it and it tends to take off from there. It turns into a quote and the next thing you know there are T-shirts. Little stuff over time has added up and now it’s just exploded and everybody’s just running with it. It’s fun. It’s great.
Core something real — There’s definitely something real. It’s definitely real. People always talk about it being from “Ricky Bobby.” It wasn’t. It wasn’t a joke. We’re dead serious. That’s literally how we feel. It’s not something from Ricky Bobby or trying to be funny on national television. It was something that we talk about a ton. It was the first thing that popped into my mind, because it’s how we feel. If Brett was up there, he probably would’ve said something like that. It just so happened it was me. Tarp, I live with him, too. He feels the same way. I know how they are. I think a lot of guys who play football tend to be patriotic. They know the hard work. You see that a lot. You see guys in the NFL with American flag tattoos. Pat Angerer, the first example. He’s a huge patriot. When you’re around those guys, you talk about it even more.
History of service in your family — My dad was in the Army for a little bit, during a time of peace. My uncle John, dad’s oldest brother, fought in Vietnam. My grandpa, my dad’s father, was in the service also. There’s a little bit there, but I there’s probably one person in every family almost. There really is. There are a lot of people who can find someone Vietnam, someone in the Army. I have friends who’ve had brothers who’ve served. You tend to have a lot of pride in what they do. They’re the real heroes. That’s the toughest job you can probably do. It deserves more glory, but it’s more of a team-oriented, not an individual thing. Those people don’t want that. That’s just tremendous on their part, what they do for the country.
It’s not cool — Classes with a communist — Absolutely, it’s very liberal over here, very liberal. I know what you mean. Some people think it is. You get to college and this seems to be the most liberal place ever. I remember telling that to my dad and he said, that’s just how colleges are. I don’t know how other colleges are, but when you walk around here, you’ve got people . . . you’ve got guys walking around in dresses. I’ve seen and hippies. They’re doing nothing. There’s the Ped Mall area down there. Right in the middle. Those people are going nowhere. Those people are the people who don’t like America. They always find something wrong with it. They’re the problem. They’re the people who need to change and figure it out. They need to get it together and work hard. The people who are doing things right and working hard, they don’t complain because there’s no point in complaining. When something happens to you, you take it on the chin and keep moving forward.
Didn’t vote — I don’t want to go in there and make a wild decision. — I see the commercials. The commercials are funny, because seems to be bashing each other, but I haven’t really learned about anybody and what they do. I just learn about what the other people aren’t doing correctly. So, I don’t even know who’s good. Everyone seems to be bad.
Brett Morse
A gag — He’s very passionate and very serious. I think we’re all very serious about it, but he takes it kind of to the next level on that front. He’s very passionate about it. I’m sure you guys asked him a couple questions and got him going, huh?
College and patriotism — communist — Only a couple words would spark that rant, that’s for sure. It’s definitely entertaining when he gets on it. I’ve participated, sat through, listened in on and have been entertained, all those work. It’s definitely fun to get him on a roll like that. — Anything can spark him. On TV, someone says something. Sitting in the living room, driving around town, getting something to eat. Anything really can spark a rant like you heard yesterday.
Challenges — No one challenges him. We all have very similar political views. — No one on team — No. I think they’d be worried about catching a rant themselves. No one challenges Rick.
Public? — So, we’re going into the College World Series. Tarp’s from Omaha, we go every year. We’re walking through general admissions up a big driveway into the stadium. About three-fourths or the way up, there’s a fence that goes down a hill and there’s this line. There are thousands of people walking through. Then, the game starts and there’s a moment of silence for the national anthem. — We’re all sitting there. There are a couple thousand people on this ramp and the national anthem starts playing. — Some guy from the line, ‘Hey, security! Security! What’s going on? Everyone is cutting us!’ Rick had a Millard North shirt on. Their student section from high school. It was a Millard North shirt, it was black and all it said on the back was ‘security.’ So, someone in line who was getting cut thought that Rick was the security guy. They start yelling at Rick when the whole place is quiet during the national anthem. I think you can imagine how he felt about that. He turned around and let that guy have a piece of his mind. It was definitely one of the top five hardest I’ve ever laughed. Tears are coming from my face. That was an example in public. — Reaction — He gave him a piece of his mind about being respectful to the United States of America and the national anthem. Then he said, ‘Hey buddy, it’s a Millard North T-shirt. A T-shirt from Millard North, a high school. I’m not security.’
Sash
Every once in a while in the complex, ‘Born in the USA’ will come on in the weightroom. He’ll start screaming and freaking out. Anytime the ‘Rocky’ soundtrack is playing, he’s all about the USA. — That kid has an American flag on his moped. USA stickers on his moped. He’s all about the red, white and blue. — Gag — I kind of did. I knew kids like that in high school. I didn’t know if he was joking when I first got here, but when you see a ‘Made in the USA 1987′ on his back, you know he’s pretty serious.
Julian
I think a lot of people don’t expect that out of a college football player. People have their ideas about how college football players are supposed to be, how we’re supposed to act and think and what-not. There are political science majors who you’d expect patriotism from. Ricky could’ve done any number of things where patriotism would’ve been fully expected. I think it’s genuine. That is the way he feels. I think people are surprised to hear it coming from him.
Communist — We’ve got everything here. — He has a way of keeping his poise and composure, so I don’t think he’d hit the guy. But there would be a difference of opinions that would be hard to overcome. Knowing Rick and the kind of guy he is, I’m sure he’d give the other guy his two cents and would be willing to hear it back and maintain a dialog. I don’t think he’d fly off the handle. — We’ve never had a political discussion. All we really care about is America No. 1. Look at our senior poster.
Tarp
1021 — Team America
Rants — Someone was talking during the national anthem. He didn’t like that. — He wanted to make sure the guy took a minute and respected our country. He does think a lot of people take it for granted. A lot of people do. We’ve got it pretty good here. There aren’t a lot of things we aren’t able to do here in America. It’s something he thinks people might take for granted.
Geniune — That’s just the way he is. It was the way he was raised, it’s the way his family is. He really respects our country and he’s proud to be an American. Yeah, on the stage at the Orange Bowl, that was him being kind of goofy, but he does love America. There’s no doubt about that. –
Captain America is not here to lead the country. I’m here to serve it. If I’m a captain, then I’m a soldier. Not of any military branch, but of the American people. Years ago, in simpler times, this suit and this shield were created as a symbol to help make America the land it’s supposed to be… to help it realize its destiny. Ricocheting from super-villain duel to super-villain duel doesn’t always serve that purpose. There’s a difference between fighting against evil and fighting for the common good. I’m not always able to choose my battles… but effective immediately, I’m going to make an effort to choose the battles that matter. Battles against injustice, against cynicism, against intolerance. I will still serve with the Avengers. I will continue to defend this nation from any and all threats it may face. But as of today, I am not a “super hero.” Now and forevermore, I am a man of the people. Together, you and I will identify and confront America’s problems. Together, we will figure out what we are and what we can be. Together, we will define the American Dream and make it an American reality.
Wow. That’s it. Wow.
Well the voting part was pretty genius on his part. Sadly he has a point.
” . . . you’ve got guys walking around in dresses. I’ve seen and hippies.”
Oh my gosh, not the hippies!
I have never lost respect for a person in such a short span of time (I was a Stanzi fan up until about three minutes ago). Thank you Gazette for exposing the complete intellectual void that is Ricki Stanzi.
Yeah you equate hippies to communists and socialist to liberals which is you! Ricky is right.
Matt, that’s a beautiful stream of logical fallacies.
We’ll call it even then because I became a Stanzi fan after reading this article!
right Seth. You’re all for free speech, unless it goes against your liberal ideology. how hypocritical
Did I say Ricky couldn’t say that or that his comments should be censored Kadeem? No I didn’t, American’s are perfectly free to say stupid things. I also have the freedom to point out the stupidity of their statements. And what does liberal ideology have to do with applying a judgment to an entire group of people for which one couldn’t possibly speak for? So you are saying it is only liberals who dispute stereotypes and gross generalizations?
“I have never lost respect for a person in such a short span of time (I was a Stanzi fan up until about three minutes ago). Thank you Gazette for exposing the complete intellectual void that is Ricki Stanzi.”
Why is he intellecutally void Seth?
Because someone who would assume that an entire group of people who are quite diverse (everyone in the Ped Mall in this case) all hold the same beliefs and are all destined for “nowhere” shows a lack of thought process. This I’m not surprised about, what really surprises me is how when you wrap that type of illogical stereotyping in words like Flag, Patriot and Love of Country it suddenly becomes acceptable; as evidenced by the comments on this article.
“The No. 21 Hawkeyes (7-3, 4-2 Big Ten) face off with No. 8 Ohio State (9-1, 5-1) today at Kinnick Stadium…… Stanzi, one of 26 Hawkeye seniors who’ll play their final game in Kinnick today.”
Hmmmm, I guess all of us with tickets for Nov 20th are going to miss the game.
Story runs in the Gazette tomorrow morning.
Good catch, though.
Marc, I typically enjoy your articles and I always appreciate the effort you put into providing the best Hawkeye football coverage anywhere on the web. With that said, these types of articles really rub me the wrong way and make me question their utility.
I understand that Stanzi has become some sort of folk “hero” with his level of “patriotism” and, perhaps, that’s why this seemed like a good story. But, on the eve of Senior Day, instead of reading something that makes me proud of the team’s seniors, I am left feeling bad for one of them. I thought Stanzi’s shtick was endearing when it had the innocent tone of love for country. It is now apparent that the tone has shifted to offensive, and, for that reason, the utility and interest to the reader seem to be lost (unless your goal was to expose this young man’s true feelings).
If there is one thing that can spark a feud, it’s politics. I’m not sure why you decided to inject that element into something that we were all in agreement on — that Stanzi has been a great football player and person. At least, up until this article, there was no debate on the latter.
You’re right. Not my intention. My job doesn’t come with a playbook and I will occasionally make this mistake.
I do, however, think it’s OK for football players to have opinions. But you’re definitely right to question me and I want you to know point taken. Had a little bit of this during the summer with James Morris and his views.
I don’t understand Marc, this is supposed to be a place that we can go to get away from politics… and you let Talbot call Rick an “intellectual void” because he loves his country? I hope you remove that post. Thanks Rick for being real and loving this great nation! Thanks to Rick’s father and those like him who have put their lives and safety on the line to defend the greatest nation in the world!
I don’t think you can blame Marc for my comments Mission, that was all me! And to my defense, I didn’t refer to politics in any way. I was simply pointing out the lack of thought that goes into statements like, “There’s the Ped Mall area down there, right in the middle. Those people are going nowhere. Those people are the people who don’t like America.” Are you kidding me? Everyone in the Ped Mall is a nobody who hates their country?
If stereotyping and passing judgement on people you don’t know is patriotism and love of country, then I guess I have a lot to learn.
We are in a word war here.
I don’t agree, but I’m not going to censor. No one wins these things.
I will say that Ricky Stanzi might be Iowa’s all-time leader in outreach. Just two weeks ago, I was writing about him being chased down by a woman after the game so she could give him a wrist band in support of her son-in-law. He’s a regular at the UI Hospitals and Clinics.
Does that mitigate this? No. But is he not allowed an opinion? I think he is. Does Seth have to agree with it? No, not at all. He’s allowed an opinion. That’s the business model of this communication company. Shout him down if you like. Still, no one wins.
This was not my intention, BTW. I have the utmost respect for these kids. Say what you want about them, they’ve worked to make something out of themselves, from No. 1 QB to third-string longsnapper. That’s an achievement. It’s why I’m here.
Is it an achievement on the scale of Sgt. Salvatore Giunta and any person in our military. Absolutely not. Is it on the scale of a Ped Mall skater? Absolutely not. Some of those kids can flat shred.
We all go at our own pace. We all see the world through different prisms. That said, go ahead and tear me apart. That’s what this is for.
Marc,
In an article entitled “Soaring Out of Solon” posted on August 15, Iowa linebacker James Morris described himself as “half-socialist, half-capitalist,” he watched “Capitalism a Love Story” by Michael Moore and said “I’m not GOP, that’s for sure.” You then commented, Marc, that “This is an active, unafraid mind. It’s going to go where it’s going to”
Now, you soundbite Stanzi with: “I don’t know how other colleges are, but when you walk around here, you’ve got people . . . you’ve got guys walking around in dresses and just these hippies,” Stanzi said. “They’re doing nothing. There’s the Ped Mall area down there, right in the middle. Those people are going nowhere. Those people are the people who don’t like America.”
The interesting thing is that when people on the message boards disagreed with James Morris’ politics your reply was:
“I’m just going to delete the politics.
Please, don’t want to babysit, don’t want to censor (but I will and did).
I went on a guided fishing trip once in a small boat on Lake Superior. The guide said, “Two rules, no politics and no religion.” I said ‘deal.’
Deal?”
your response when Stanzi gets bashed:
“I don’t agree, but I’m not going to censor. No one wins these things.”
Which is it Marc? Or do you have a (liberal) political axe to grind?
Just asking…
Mission, thanks for posting.
You keep trying to color me a liberal. I’m apolitical. I vote with logic, or at least try to.
James Morris was weeks out of high school at the time of that article. Ricky Stanzi is an adult. I think that might make a bit of a difference.
Also, you have to look at the what James Morris said. James was only speaking about his personal political views while Ricky basically condemned a chunk of society as people who hate America. One was an inward statement and one was a rough, outward stereotyping.
Completely off topic here Marc, but if you can survive parenthood I’m sure you can handle what pas ses for tearing someone apart on this form.
You’re right, we’re all entitled to our opinions, and people can shoot us do wn if they want but in the end we’re still entitled to voice it.
Couldn’t have said it better.
That should have been “forum.”
“I don’t think you can blame Marc for my comments Mission, that was all me! And to my defense, I didn’t refer to politics in any way. I was simply pointing out the lack of thought that goes into statements like, “There’s the Ped Mall area down there, right in the middle. Those people are going nowhere. Those people are the people who don’t like America.” Are you kidding me? Everyone in the Ped Mall is a nobody who hates their country?”
He has a right to his opinion Seth, and I tend to agree that many on the ped mall (was a student at UI a while ago) ARE what Stanzi says they are. You don’t have to interview those folks to “find” out if you are stereotyping or not. I know for a fact of a few in particular that would fit into his “stereotype”. Iowa City is an extremely liberal college town, with its fair share of “commies” and socialists. That is a fact. Because he may not like them doesn’t mean he is intellectually void, as you say. That comes off more like he is intellectually void according to you because you simply disagree with him.
I’m quite sure if you could sit down and talk with him like Marc has you would be able to find out more of what he means, but it seems as if you wouldn’t want that conversation to take place. You simply shrugged him off with an ad hom. What does that say about you intellectually?
Ask Marc how sometimes in a newspaper it is hard to decipher what people mean with essentially a “soundbite”.
Marc, fun article…enjoy these types of things, especially dealing with the day to day doldrums of a deployment (not that I am upset about that, rather have boring days than the alternative!)…
Keep up the good work, go Hawks, and be sure to watch for us today on the big screen at Kinnick. We were already featured once and will be again today. I’m the one holding an M-4 with the old school Hawk throwback on doing the speaking. Take care…
If stereotyping and passing judgement on people you don’t know is patriotism and love of country, then I guess I have a lot to learn.
Ray thank you for your service, but if you read my comments again you will notice that at no point did I say that Ricky does not have a right to his opinion. And if the chance ever arose I would be more than happy to discuss this topic with Stanzi or anyone else for that matter. And to your point about sound-bites, notice that Marc posted the raw dialogue from the interview for precisely that reason. I’m not going from sound-bites here, I can see the entire substance of what was said.
I agree that Iowa City may be more liberal than your average Iowa town. And yes, there probably are people on the Ped Mall who are cross-dressers, hippies, commies and socialists (I’m not even going to touch that). But there are also people on the Ped Mall who are business men and women, doctors, lawyers, artists, poets, musicians, cooks, waiters, students, homeless or simply average folk out for nice meal. Am I supposed to simply stand by the statement that every one of these people are going nowhere and they don’t like their country because Stanzi says he loves his country? I used the phrase intellectually void not because I disagree with him, but because the logic used to formulate those kind of thoughts is flawed.
I’m not trying to be flip Seth but I’ll bet there are more doctors who at least occasionally hang out in the Ped Mall than people think, given that IC is home to the UIHC.
I have to admit, Ray, I’m not comfortable talking politics. It’s not that I don’t know the material, it’s I prefer to keep mine private and don’t feel a need to take up a particular cause.
But, how it goes.
Hope you are well, my friend. Take care of yourself. Go Prairie Hawks!
I’m a new fan of Ricky Stanzi, for telling it like it is.
Kudos to Ricky Stanzi for being a proud American and standing up for what he believes in!! If only more Americans would do the same. If find Ricky’s comments to be a bit over-simplistic, but nonetheless I truly believe his heart is in the right place. After all, he is an entertainer/football player, not a professional lawyer/politician. I suggest rather than mistakenly use his football player megaphone to belittle his fellow citizens; for the betterment of his community he should openly debate his University peers/ professors, and fellow citizens about his political/govt concerns down at our level. He has been blessed with popularity from his fans and given a megaphone…Use it wisely Ricky and watch what you say around the microphone………GO HAWKS!!!!
BTW, Mr. Americastanzi, Bruce Springsteen’s song “Born in the USA” is not a celebration of patriotism or nationalism. Quite the opposite, it’s an indictment.
Yeah Sal,
Its funny, although you are indeed right, it has now become an Anthem for America. So what it was meant to be and what it now is………………
I love that twist of irony. You can’t keep that American spirit down. It’s lime the old proverb…….”what Satan meant for evil God meant for good” So although it may have originally been anti-American it is now The America.
Go Rick Stanzi………………it’s funny how Liberals are all for stereotyping until it goes against their creed. I’ll take those who are real over those who are one way.
Chad
You apparently don’t know what the word irony means.
As for the rest of your little rant, I give it a “Can’t parse, wouldn’t read again”.
here you go Salmeister…………………looks likwe it fits………..
noun
1. what is intended to be, or actually is, expressed or indicated; signification; import: the three meanings of a word.
I don’t think art works like that. The fact that “Born in the USA” is a constantly misinterpreted song doesn’t change its meaning or its lyrics; it just makes those that misinterpret it look foolish.
I’ve always hated the “Born in the USA” album. His weakest work, IMO.
Yeah, I’ve always been more of a “Nebraska” fan as far as Bruce goes.
Pat Tillman – patriot
Rick Stanzi – Chicken Hawk. He’s just a kid and maybe he’ll wake up some day and realize there’s more to patriotism than talk. Perhaps he’ll sign up for military service or peace corps after the bowl. He’s still my favorite qb.
“It’s definitely real.” That’s all I took away from this article, Ricky Stanzi loves this country and by gum he means it! (Not sure why the personal political views of a QB belong in the Sports section of the paper but that’s not my call).
Does he love it enough to educate himself and partake in perhaps the most patriotic act of all, by voting? Oh no, that’s too confusing for the poor lad. But we better dare not challenge him and his fervent views, whatever those may be. The article does not really go into that. About all that can be surmised from the article is that Stanzi is a patriot because his Ma and Pa told him to be. What are his feelings on the health care bill? Immigration? Since this stroke off piece had nothing to do with his preparation for the game Saturday (again, the Sports section!?), why not cut to the chase and really delve into this guy’s politics that he apparently goes on and on about at length without challenges from his teammates. I’m sure the Iowa football team is the #1 source of popular dissident to his “patriotic” views, so many intellectuals on that team!
I have no problem that Stanzi has opinions, he absolutely has his right to them. But since someone made the decision to run this article why not go all the way with it as you are able to do online? Why don’t we hear Stanzi’s views specifically? Or does he have any? Bitching at a guy who is not paying respect during the national anthem is one thing but now I wanna know exactly what makes a “patriot” in Stanzi’s eyes. The article only makes clear that in his mind he has a pure vision of what that is and it definitely does not involve people living an alternative lifestyle. A jock that doesn’t like hippies. I’m shocked! Shocked!
Morehouse how ’bout you post your interview with him in it’s entirety? Or was this just a bubblegum piece the morning of a big game, for the non-questioning masses to rally around? Maybe Stanzi is truly an intellectual and can back up his beliefs with an overarching philosophy of life. A philosophy he adheres to as much as possible in words and actions. You certainly won’t get that kind of depth from this article. And no, self claiming you’re a patriot and having a bunch of like minded “yes” men vouch for your patriotism does not count as evidence for such a philosophy.
The article over promises and under delivers if you’re looking for any depth. Weak reporting at best Morehouse.
Al, that was the entire interview. I don’t get a half hour with these guys. Plus, full transcript below. That’s it. Nothing more.
Appreciate your views.
Al Smith….The reason this is in the Sports Section is because Ricky is made famous by his is football playing ability. I doubt this would never make in into the main section because Ricky is no expert in political matters as you point out. Ricky did not care to vote, educate himself on healthcare, climate change, judicial retention, but “by gum” he loves his country just like any other citizen is free to express his informed/uninformed views. Is it appropriate for the Gazette to censor this famous person’s so-called “uninformed” views from the sports section if he willingly shares them in an interview? Probably does not belong in the sports section, but then that would be censoring…Hmmm, what a conundrum…..Morehouse erred on the side of not censoring Ricky’s comments.
Voting is the truest form of expressing patriotism. If one truly loves this country he/she would educate themselves on the issues and vote in every election—Did Ricky? Hmm, I guess he doesn’t love the country as much as he says. Men as women died so he could have the right to vote, and he ignores that right thereby disrespecting those soldiers who died…..
My point is as follows:
It is unproductive to attack another citizen’s patriotism. “Liberals” in Iowa City love America just as much as the rural folks- they just show it in different ways. “Liberals” can love America too without displaying the “traditional” forms of patriotism. There is more to loving this country than blindly worshiping the flag and wearing patriotic shirts. A person can also show love for America admitting our nation’s wrongs and attempting to correct those wrongs. Our Sh#t does Stink- and it is time we come off our high horse and admit it instead of blindly being patriotic. (This is probably the thing that most rural folks misconstrue as being unpatriotic; when liberals challenge the powers that be and the status quo they are actually expressing patriotism) We are the greatest country in the world, but we are far from perfect- there is much room for improvement. Liberals also show patriotism by helping the less fortunate in the community, being responsible with our natural resources, conserving energy, etc. All of us, including Ricky, need to realize patriotism is not limited to one form of expression (i.e. wearing a shirt) or one ideology.
Pat,
On the contrary, I did not advocate censorship at all! I wanted more. Yes, I was confused what this piece was doing in the sports section. But since the decision was made, go all the way with it. The idea probably originated as a fluff piece for the gameday edition. Fine. It wouldn’t be the first time football and “patriotism” were mixed to make the masses feel good about watching the sport. But once Stanzi got started you gotta let him finish. He was just getting warmed up! Let Stanzi expose himself as either a master of patriotic ideals or a misinformed moron. I’m sure it would have been interesting and I’m sure it would sell more papers.
Gazette staff, whatever you do, don’t play it safe!
Al, good stuff. You make a valid point. That was all the time I had. The interview was ended by sports info.
Not making excuses, just reality. Again, I understand your point and believe you have a legit gripe against me.
Al, “Let Stanzi expose himself as either a master of patriotic ideals or a misinformed moron.” I think Stanzi alluded to the answer to this question in his interview at the 4:00-4:30 mark. He admits he didn’t vote and doesn’t know anything about “those guys”. That seems pretty uninformed to me.
Also, isn’t voting the most patriotic thing every American can do?
Lastly, I must complain about Stanzi’s naive “hard workin’ rural folk” version of patriotism= Work as hard as you can, don’t draw attention to the things wrong with America because there is “no point in complaining”, and proudly display pro-USA paraphernalia. He thinks people who complain about America and our course are “the problem.” History recalls the German people were blindly patriotic before WWII, look where mindless patriotism and “not-complaining” lead them. We can either speak up and be leaders, or we can remain silent and be lead. Educate yourself my dear son Ricky…
Of course he alludes to the answer. We aren’t disagreeing here at all. My point is that the article only skims the surface. I don’t want any half measures. I want the world to know the true depth of his self proclaimed patriotism. He seemed ready to let loose. It would have been more interesting and eye opening I’m sure. The article was just a big tease that left me wanting more.
Quite a leap there, Pat, playing the Nazi card.
Don’t do it again.
Seth did not say that Stanzi should not have free speech, Liberal ideology” or not, just that he lost respect for Stanzi for making those broad sweeping statements about people he did not know. Go back to the civics books, Kadeem, and look at what the Constitution says about free speech. It is there to protect speech we do not like as much as the speech that we do. Judging by your name, Kadeem, I expect you are a child of immigrants, as I am. Did they not come here for among other things, the right to speak freely? Not to be judged or told to leave if they did not agree with the majority? I had my experience with the Love-It-Or-Leave-It crowd during the Vietnamese debacle which cost us over 58,000 American dead, and for what? You tell me. Vietnam is communist now, is it not? I have friends on that wall in Washington, and too many died of empty rhetoric of the Love-It-Or-Leave-It stripe.
Ricky’s mindless brand of patriotism has led to unnecessary wars like Vietnamfor centuries all over the world. Patriotism in a free society includes the duty to dissent from the majority when you feel that the country you love is headed in the wrong direction. They taught me that in Air Force officer training, by the way.
For the record, I consider myself a patriot, with 23 years of military service to back it up. I EARNED my opinion. Who is Ricky Stanzi? An early 20-something college student who plays football. Who is he to judge his fellow citizens, given that he has yet to contribute anything but dressing up in a funny suit and playing with a ball? He is entitled to his view of patriotism, of course. But that little boy needs to grow up some more before I would ever listen to a word he had to say. He has yet to earn the privilege.
“Ricky’s mindless brand of patriotism has led to unnecessary wars like Vietnam for centuries all over the world. Patriotism in a free society includes the duty to dissent from the majority when you feel that the country you love is headed in the wrong direction.”—-Well said Paul. You are a true patriot. Thank You for serving!!
Paul — Thanks for your service.
See here is the rub…………………you all have your views and they are no more right than Rick’s. Frankly I don’t care if you like them and I agree with him as well. Those people he references ARE what is wrong with America.
You stereo type, you just don’t like it when others do. Get over your selves…………..Can U?!?!? Liberals often times take themselves way to serious, and have a very difficult time seeing the other side. So in all honesty
until you start a thread with “yeah I do see what he is saying”, I’ll assume you are like most liberals I know.
Chad
PS………………I’ll assume stereotypes are such because they have often been found to be true, right?!?!?!
Is that stereotypical, yep, it sure is. And you’ll go ahead and assume I’m like most conservatives you know. More of the same……………Oh I love a good twist of the worm!
Chad
“See here is the rub…………………you all have your views and they are no more right than Rick’s.”
That is simply wrong Chad, everyone acts like each opinion is as valid as another but that is not true. There is an empirical truth here that goes beyond what any of our opinions are. It could be my opinion that the sky is green and the grass is blue, but we could use empirical evidence and critical thinking to show that my opinion is in fact false. In this case, Stanzi has voiced an opinion that cannot stand up to critical thinking and evidence. The Ped Mall is simply a commercial district that draws people from all over Eastern Iowa and to make any broad claims about the people at the Ped Mall ignores the generalization fallacy and is not a sound or valid argument in relation to critical thinking. Everyone has their opinion, but there is only one truth. I do not reject everyone’s right to their opinions, but I will reject those opinions that are false.
You sir are 100% correct. There is indeed only ONE Truth. That is why we need a supreme orator of morality. You see we all have fleeting opinions (by the by, Rick never said everyone) that have partial truths, yours included.
Chad
PS…………………the Truth incidentally is not a thing or an ideal, it is a person. The person of Jesus Christ. It revolutionized my ability to be honest with myself, when I realized that a few years back.
Something that needs to be said here……………………people are typicall up in arms about things that are dear to them, but not so much things that aren’t. Now why you are all going……………….duh?!?!
People don’t care about stereotypes unless it is something they are against. There isn’t one of you out there that doesn’t do it, and if you say you don’t you’re not capable of the truthfulness needed to be taken seriously.
2nd tolerance is NOT biblical, but compassion is. I need to be respectful of whatever you decide but if I think that people in the ped-mall, or hippies, or, or………………have a tendency to be Anti-America, I may indeed be right. I’m not bullying them, or hurting them, right?!?!? I don’t have to tip-toe around you, that’s not what Christ EVER said. Judge not lest you be judged is what people say who…….well………don’t want to hear what you have to say about what they are doing. It is a complete misconstruction of the scripture’s true meaning.
3rd…………………liberals all over the TV are constantly stereotyping Republicans so please spare us your indignant prose. Honestly here is a guy that has family on all sides that have served in the war. You don’t think they have some baggage and strong feelings about the people who have wronged them. Get over yourselves. If it was a liberal” slant we’d have all the conservatives in here, waxing poetic.
I just love sensitivity that isn’t all to sensitive when the barbs go the other way.
Chad
So the hippies and commies on the Ped Mall wronged Stanzi’s family at some point in the past (??) and he is therefore justified in his bias?
You win.
Clearly that isn’t what I said, but nice attempt at discrediting me. That’s what you do.
Chad
“Clearly that isn’t what I said”
Hey I called it a win for Ray, but if you insist, what you clearly said was, “Honestly here is a guy that has family on all sides that have served in the war. You don’t think they have some baggage and strong feelings about the people who have wronged them.” And you made this statement in justification of Stanzi’s comments. I must then conclude that you somehow think the root of Stanzi’s comments comes from the actions of the “those people on the Ped Mall” against Stanzi’s family in those past wars and how they “wronged them”. I’m not making this up Ray, you said it. My question is how did these people wrong Stanzi’s family in the past (what is your evidence?) and then how does that justify their denigration today? If we are going to debate let’s debate on the facts rather than rhetoric.
I think your own rhetoric is condemning enuff I don’t need say anything to further expose you.
Carry on…………………
Chad
I’m going to finish this thread off by saying we are criticizing a young man who undoubtedly was saying nothing more than, there are some people down town dressing up, doing nothing and “maybe” making political statements that may or may not be Pro-America. We, ALL of us, have made it way more than he most likely intended it.
We honestly don’t really know. His remarks we ubiquitous and not very encompassing of anyone really. Some have called it a long sweeping generalization but honestly we are making a huge assumption there. He could have been talking about 10 hippies and 5 people wearing dresses, that are there every day. He could have been talking about 4 total or 100, we don’t know. Yet, and here is the fun part, some of us have denigrated his character, now thinking less of him and branded him with nary a word from him.
Yet we are on the “high” road………………………….that’s rich. Maybe WE should all get our mirrors out?!?!
Chad
“Yet, and here is the fun part, some of us have denigrated his character, now thinking less of him and branded him with nary a word from him.”
We have plenty of words from Ricky. That’s what sparked this. You can’t tone down the rhetoric of his comment and say that he was only “observing” the Ped Mall. As a student at the university I see many diverse, hardworking people in this town who can’t be simplified into the 2D caricature of an “America hater” in the way that Stanzi is so ready to do.
Ricky has every right to say what he wants. We have every right to be disgusted with what he said. That seems to be the point of journalism.
What I’m wondering now is if DJK would have ever said anything this controversial and polarizing.
That’s sound logic. If you’re indicting me, I’m afraid I’m guilty.
Love “The Wire.” Love David Simon, a former journalist and enormously talented storyteller.
Ricky’s character is solid. You might disagree with this comment, but he’s done a lot off the field. People don’t know a lot about that stuff. I wouldn’t make a snap judgment off one quote.
That said, I know the material debated here is his view of the Ped Mall and not his visits to the UI children’s hospital.
I didn’t do or say the smartest stuff in the world when I was 23. Still don’t at 43.
No, not at all. I think you did a great job by posting the quotes in their entirety and letting this discussion happen. Your blog easily my favorite place to go for Iowa coverage.
I honestly don’t think he’s a bad guy at heart. I’ve read plenty about the great stuff he does off the field and I think that shows how much he really does care about other people. That’s why I was so surprised to read what he had said.
And David Simon did such an amazing job with The Wire. I haven’t been able to see “Treme” yet, though.
“Treme” didn’t grab me. I liked it, but it might be my allegiance to Simon’s storytelling. Loved “Generation Kill,” too.
Thanks for the kind words.
People like debating America.
I’m taking that as a good thing.
The things I said and thought at 23 are much, much different at 43.
Thanks for your contributions.
Since I posted the first message, I’ll bookend this entry hopefully.
Let’s all just have some fun and relax. Nothing anyone says here is worth getting upset about. My post was merely to lighten the mood. Afterall, politics has nothing to do with partriotism. And please stop trying to shoot the messenger here (Marc).
Remember, Captain America fights for all americans and shouldn’t we all be warriors in that endeavour?