This is gonna be fun…

The Gazette should be ashamed of itself for printing a letter that has no substance value . Only designed to inflame.

Why would this be printed??

I don't share Jay's intensity but I will opine that the Republicans have moved further to the right. Moderate Republicans such as Jim Leach are being pushed out in pursuit of ideological purity.

At the same time, the Democrats are moving towards the center. Newly elected Democratic representatives elected in '06 and '08 tended to be moderates that could appeal to a broad range of constituents. We call many of them "blue dog democrats" today. The Democrats are compromising ideological purity to appeal to a broader base.

In time, the people will decide what they prefer.

About as amusing as a rubber crutch.

Sad, really, for a writer to demonize 50 million who vote. what an asinine letter

Extremeists of any political persuasion can be dangerous to the country. Right now they seem to be concentrated in the far right.

Interesting you would complain about the demonization of the Republican party only to demonize the Democrats.

"ad hominem" means "against the person"

ad hominem attacks are attacks against a person (or a person's character, image, etc.)

Indeed, it is applicable in this situation.

A whackadoodle on either side of the isle is still a whackadoodle.
The political spectrum is not a left/right straight line, it's a circle. Pick a starting point on the circle and call that center. If you move too far to the left or the right you meet up with your opposite and equally disingenuous counterpart at the back of the circle. Friends and neighbors that is home of the whackadoodle.

Jay does a great job of repeating the Liberal Talking Points, and acting like he is concerned about the direction of the Republican Pary, but I doubt he cares about anything but getting his government check each month!!

richgreer
You forgot to get a "Blame Bush" thought in your "Talking Points" didnt you listen at the last meeting??

Ann
Like your handlers told you, "keep repeating it and it will come true" Are you for Higher Taxes and more Government Control?

Take action in November… vote for a political with the People in mind.
-Equitable Income
-Publicly Funded Health Care
-Nationalized Pension
-Publicly Funded Public Utility Base
-Just Credit Reporting
-Simplified Progressive Taxation

I hope Jay feels better after letting off all that steam.

Nonsense. Jay Levsen's letter has not attacked any specific individual only the ideals of a group of people. Which is very different from calling someone a liar or a thug for example. If ideas are off limits in political discourse, there is no discourse.

You might disagree with the accusations, but your disagreement doesn't make them ad hominem.

… or maybe he works for a government subsidized industry, like an Oil Company, Agribusiness or Arms Manufacturing (& related)?

…Low Income Home Energy Aid, Civil Service & Railroad Retirement, Unemployment? I'm just trying to get some clarification. Thanks.

I see what you're saying; there is a simple misunderstanding here.

I'm saying that there are too many ad hominem attacks going on. I think that's part of why the letter was written – observing too many ad hominems.

I agree, this letter is not attacking, simply pointing out that the GOP has moved further and further to the right.

Steve King once again.
http://tinyurl.com/2eqd3hl

"We talk about the importance of the rule of law but we ignore it when it is convenient for us. And no, it doesn't matter which party is in charge; such behavior is not exceptional for either party."
sums it up rather nicely…

/snark

Keep your government out of my Medicare!!!

/end snark

On Merriam-Webster's web site (http://www.m-w.com ), the first definition listed for "ad hominem" is "appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect". I think that's quite applicable.

My first thought, too, was "must be a slow day".

On the other hand, while I think this is a bit dramatic, it is on the same level as a couple letters a while back calling the President a thug, a charlatan and a communist.

Too much ad hominem attacks in today's society. No one can seem to debate issues anymore – on either side.

Dunbas*s quote is right.

Some Democrats are considering ideological purity and are starting to reject the racist base of the Democratic Party.

ljw61 uses some errors of faulty logic in response. Rather than comment on the specific statements in the letter he/she evades by the "liveral talking points" comment and then inferring that the writer is only interested in receiving some government handout. The evasive response is essentially Ad Hominem.

I can see November from my house.

Moving too far to either end of the political spectrum is dangerous and while people like that exist on both sides of the a i s l e the Republicans a p p e a r to have the majority of the market cornered right now.

And a shoddy market it is…

But, the Iowa GOP gubernatorial candidates are a perfect opportunity to invoke "The Three Stooges!"

It just occurred to me. Steven King may practice self-strangulation: some men do that in order to increase the intensity of sensation while they pleasure themselves.

He obviously does not get enough oxygen to his brain, so I'm just speculating why.

I must register this protest. "Wingnuts" are very serviceable pieces of hardware. When did we decide to malign a useful little nut by attaching its name to the lunatic fringe?

Free the wingnuts!

Sometimes even visually–minus pies, of course…

Cream pie to the face? Boy, we could use that kind of comic relief.

If Branstad wins re-election, then one of my favorite Trotskyisms comes to mind: "History always repeats itself: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

Break out the whoopie cushions!

You are correct about the right pushig for ideological purity. That's what the term RINO is all about and that term has been used for years.

What do you say we stop using the term "ad hominem?" Especially in cases where it doesn't apply.

During my college years Branstad earned the nickname, rightly or w r o n g l y, of "Brain-dead" amongst some of my college friends. No I did NOT attend the U of I for all the righties who will undoubtedly think that.

There is no need to blame Bush. His record stands on its own and any level header person who examines that record will see him for what he truly was.

Perhaps we should rename the wingnut hardware "freedom nuts" to preserve their dignity.

Hehehe!!

i'll second that but does this mean i'll have to change the label on my jar of wingnuts from republican to something else??

Or of course, mindless hoards following MSM and MSNBC…

for fairness, right Owen?

Which government check would that be, Social Security? Disability?

LOL…what writing is that? What tea leaves are you reading?

People feel too taxes…and will demonstrate so in November…

…don't be disappointed when it happens.

That unfortunately speaks to the own sign holder's idiocy of what the federal goverment is doing, and the mindset the left encourages when they created the dependancy of sucking off the teet of big government.

Unlike you I have no "handlers". If you are so blind that you can't see the writing on the wall, then you're in for a big suprise. And by the way, it is pretty well known that gov't grows under a republican administration more so than dem. I don't follow either party.

Unlike you I have no "handlers". If you are so blind that you can't see the writing on the wall, then you're in for a big suprise. And by the way, it is pretty well known that gov't grows under a republican administration more so than dem. I don't follow either party.

Mindless hoards following Faux News' lead.

All depends on how much respect you have for your ****nuts.

FYI : 4 years at Kirkwood doesnt count…

FYI it wasn't Kirkwood either. Nice try though.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that respect my nuts.

I expect nothing, therefore Im never disappointed.
the tea party movement will get the same treatment as AIM, and the Black Panthers. And you guys are so arrogant that you will invite it in, and welcome it with open arms…

Steve King — forever etched in my mind by the following. A few years ago we were in Egypt, a predominately Muslim country, and turned-on the TV to CNN-Europe and there was King, babbling about Muslims "dancing in the streets" if Obama was elected. I admit, at that moment, I felft ashamed to be an American.

What's to expect from the party that's increasingly becoming infiltrated with members of the TEA Party, religious zealots, militias and old white men in leadership roles? They have their token black male and some white females in C o n g r e s s and gov ern or s hips but that's mostly it. Good story elsewhere in the p a p e r today about older Rep ub l icans who started voting when Eisenhower was in office and how the Dem o crats FDR brought along are dy ing off.

Nice dodge on the challenge Ann. Are you for Higher Taxes and more Government Control? Or not?

WHAT challange? Im not, but you all apparently are cause you keep voting 'em in…

Equally as your obtuseness blinds you.

And your reponse is to parrot wingnut canards.

Your notice of my keysroke error is noted — no offense taken. As far a my "Ad Hominem" statement, I stand by it. In regard to you calling me "son", perhaps you resisted using the word "boy"as an even more denigrating term (Ad Hominem). But if you are over age 90 perhaps the term "son" could be ligitimate. By the way, note your mispelling in the 2nd-to-last sentence.

And the bad hair……

Will this work?
http://tinyurl.com/23p773h

Do you share perspicacity with a former candidate for Vice President?

Yeah, the distinguished Congressman was spouting off on the radio the other day, making his usual inaccurate and incendiary comments. That the people in western Iowa keep electing him says nothing good about that whole district.

'The evasive response is essentially
consistantly

From the right

That gives me even more hope! You really DO have vision to see through mountains!

No. And I dont like tea partys either…

Admin censoring my responses.

I'd like to amend that to "freedumb nuts"

What is so dangerous about the right wing factions in this country? Well, number one threat is that we all have guns and plenty of ammo granted to us by the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights! While you hippy peace-loving folks sit back in your easy chairs and watch CNN, real people are working second jobs or loading their own ammunition. Face it. A vast majority of the people in this country are becoming disgruntled. If you are happy paying an-ever-increasing-amount of taxes, then raise your hand! Are you happy that Medicare and Social Security has been exposed for what they are – accounts to be dipped into for other endeavors? Both these systems will be no more by 2020. Are you happy that the Congress has their own retirement and benefit plans? Do you love foreign wars that exploit other nations to benefit the rich? What about the ever-increasing profits of companies like BP – while they spill their oil all over our southern coast? I guess we can all sit back and watch China take over as we eat potato chips and get fat! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO AMERICA?!? Land of the free? Home of the brave? OR Land of the enslaved and home of the lazy!

LOL, I bet

The U of I is home to a disproportionate number of leftover radical hippies that now run things like 2joints aka twoCats.

'Junkyard dogs show more integrity and decorum than some Republican members of Congress and most of their national leaders.

'Their rhetoric comes very close to sedition, (suggesting violent acts against a duly elected government and its officials).'

This is not attacking?

Not convinced that this letter should have been selected.

…and then there are 'Us'. I don't know "your" history, but "We" triumphed in 1917 Russia, 1946 China, 1959 Cuba, 1960 Congo, 1998 Venezuela, 2005 Bolivia, 2006 Nepal, etc etc etc… are you only afraid of "Us" or just the Democrats?

Not convinced your opinion on the subject matters.

Owen I can relate to that. My key words are (R) C.G. and (R) S.K. And it is gone.

Jay good comment. Republicans may not like it.

level headER person

John None has been fired as admin nazi. I have taken an interim position. You are forbidden from future participation until you prove your posts meet the criteria of any level header person on this staff.

Nice try at what ? Yes, they have members as you stated. Anyone can be "far right" — it's not just restricted to Republicans.

What are "liVeral talking points"

'The evasive response is essentially Ad Hominem. '

Faulty logic 38. Perhaps they are cro-magnon but certainly not Ad Hominen. Get your Latin up to date son.

Fox News, asI have pointed out numerous times, was judged as one of the fairest "news" roundup shows, with Brit Hume's show leading the way, per a UCLA study. Your own biases disallow you from noticing it, which is telling.

You can show me no proof that the Tea Party was manufactured by Fox News.

None.

I never told you to expect anything. However, prepare to be surpised if you think November will be anything but an unmitigated disaster for progressives on congress.

Are you actually equating a populist political movement with terrorist groups?

And who are "you guys?"

Really,Owen? Pointing out that over a half century of handouts HAS created dependancy on governnment is a "wingnut" canard?

Moonbats such as yourself will cut off your own noses to spite your face.

Tea Party folks are for less taxation, less gov't, and a return to our core values, and wants this country to adhere to its' Constitution–not tear it down like this current administration desires to do. Tea Party folks are basically Indepedents/Libertarians

Show where i have "championed" this govt.
It is YOU that have done that.
But as you are completely lacking in any insight whatsoever, your denial is expected shortly.

yeah, it is almost frightening…(almost?) And if they get the one in the they are behind 100%, the United States will cease to exist. I am certain.

There sure are a bunch of leftist wackos that write for this Gazette. If I didn't know better, I would think this is a San Francisco newspaper. Oh yeah, we have such a real danger with Republicans. Not radical Islam, not illegal immigrants that are invading this country by the tens of thousands everyday, no the real threat are Republicans. What a joke! This whole forum is nothing but a bunch of buffoons.

And then you lost in 1989 Eastern Europe, 1991 in Russia (your mecca), Nicaragua, etc.

And then you lost in 1989 Eastern Europe, 1991 in Russia (your mecca), Nicaragua, etc. The only way your "triumphed" was by m.a.s.s murdering people to force your ideology on others. You have nothing to be proud of. Why don't you move to North Korea where you can live in your worker's paradise.

There are a number of problems. The first is the dependence on fear in the right wing. Examples of this have been with us for decades, the red scare of the '50s made famous by McCarthyism. The Southern Strategy pursued by the GOP in order to benefit from the anger of southern whites over desegration. Remember the Willie Horton ad in the '80s? The attempts by the GOP to benefit by standing against equality for gays and lesbians.

LOL 2point, now Ol' Jimmy thinks you and I are one and the same. You might want to scratch and belch some more to prove the point that we're not. LOL!!!

After perusing your posts, I can make a pretty valid determination:

Your posts reflect that:

You hate the rich ( go ahead, admit it)…
You hate "Faux" News…
You hate Rush Limbaugh…
You were for the health care bill…
You were against the Iraq War…
You are anti-gun…
You REALLY hate Bush ("he should be tried and hung for treason")

Among other things.

So, while you may not champion it, I am quite confident in saying that what you are "about" certainly puts you more in line with this administration in your beliefs….

Your own posts reveal enough insight….THIS government means this admin, for the purposes of this post…

You don't like more government control and higher taxes, but this is precisely what this government you champion is giving you.

Wow.

Hmmm, No I am not anti-gun. And I dont "hate the rich". Just the arrogant, And if you would spend more time studying yourself, than others you might get some where in this life.

I'm exceptional.

…three, four…

Now go back and read the whole book.

There will be a quiz on Friday covering the material.

The Comics Illustrated version doesn't contain all the information.

I've thought for some time that the terms "lout" and "oaf" were reasonable descriptors for their ilk. All misplaced instinct and no intellect.

Censors out in full force – good possibility it will come through in time.

"stupidly undignified"

Silace, you are the expert on THAT.

Faux News is, for lack of a better term, among the worst in news but the best in entertainment. All fluff and no real substance.

…five, six…

Hehehe!!!

Hey, there's more than enough of me to go around!

…seven, eight…

Shall we call Guines s? No not the beer!

You mean "one" uh, okay, one…..

From the right wing comments here, we can see that they have NO toleration from persons who differ from their belief system. They can not logically debate Obama's positions. Their strategy name call and demonize the opposition. This is the current party line of the Republican Party and that is WHY they lost the 2008 General Election.

The strategy for 2010 (and 2012) will be more of the same. 1) Demonize Obama. 2) Tie in the connection between Democratic candidates and Obama and thus demonize them as well.

Ka Ching!
LOL.

Wandering around the site aimles sly replying again I see Jerky.

Enjoy.

There's no doubt you suffer from serious delusions of grandeur if you think 2point and I can pos sibly be one and the same considering he is obviously male and I am obviously female.

Carry on though. I need to go adjust my bra and stock up on feminine hygiene products.

More than done feeding this troll.

The really scary thing to me is the number of good folks who seem to have forgotten what a really wretched governor Mr. Branstad was–and the number of people too young to remember his endless terms in the governor's mansion.

Have you ever read the "Gringrich GOPAC Memo" ? ( Just google same. )

I will let the previous two posts, one by HerkyJerky and the other by Jimmy_Stuka, speak for themselves: rank prejudice directed at people who don't share their politics, and the expressed wish to "eradicate liberalism."

Exactly how do you "eradicate" a set of political values? Does either post indicate that its writer can share the country with other people? Or, do those posts reveal the right for what it is?

The communists are taking over.

Be careful, John. Jeremy MAY be a prosecuting attorney.

Shall I tell you which county to avoid, and which Second District candidate he MAY be working for?

There MAY be reasons he values his anonymity so highly.

jerky, get your hand out of your pants!

Thanks, kitty, that explains where the troll scat came from that I had to clean up in another thread…

I guess there are 30-40 million americans who listen to Rush.

oooh, if we could all be as brilliant as liberals

Hate Faux?

How low-budget, unsophisticated are the people who watch "The Daily Show"? Probably the most mindless Obamites in the country

I add "extremist-radical" to lout and oaf. I really don't think they're worth being taken seriously.

YOU get to clean up after jerky this time, since you fed him!

Fed him, yes. Let him loose, NO.

HA! LOL

Here's a link to Newt Gingrich's GOPAC memo about the power of languager to control. The GOP must think we are REALLY stupid.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4…

When trying to convince gull ible people I can see how using these words might sway people to see their point but most intelligent people would see their use for what it truly is

Gosh!

D'ya THINK?

Only they and their acolytes and sycophants take themselves seriously, so far as I can tell. They certainly harbor some curious ideas.

Gingrich is a discountenanced hack, a philanderer, and a proven plagiarist as an academician. In the final analysis his career as Speaker was a failure and a disgrace. Nonetheless he maintains a ravenous hunger for power, and is trying for a comeback. For some reason, I got on his calling list and received half-a-dozen calls asking for my support–until I finally popped my corset stays and told the simpering bumpkin on the other end of the phone line what my real opinion of the failed Dr. Gingrich is.

It is amusing to see his little followers continuing to use this old sack of tricks.

Its not just the GOP

LOL, I'm just joking around don't get mad.

As you pointed out, Owen, I far prefer Jeff Beck. At least MY Beck has talent, and is an engaging joy to listen to.

Unfortunately a lot of people arn't familiar ( it's not necessarily a matter of intelligence ) with how words with certain connotations can be used for subtle persuasion and propaganda.

You are r i g h t. That's why I referenced gullible people. They're more likely to be swayed by propaganda and using words in certain ways.

Corset stays? Do you have something to tell us John? Hehehehehe!!!!

Of course it's not–they just have the preponderance of lummoxes on their side.

LOL! Figured SOMEBODY would be amused. I think it's a quotation from an old movie, but I can't remember which one…

What can I say? I'm easily amused these days. LOL!!!

Sedition is key! A new revolutionary order is at hand! If we don't deny the place held sacred for our Founders the greatness of our struggle is undeniable! Join us tonight as history unfolds before your your eyes. Your mission is clear! That you can be witness is testimony of your place upon the cosmos. The time to rise up and claim your birthright has fallen upon upon you tonight ! Our first missions the destruction of Bolshevism. Claim your birthright now before it is too late! Destroy the Bolsheviks before they turn America into the USSR!

Hail R on Jeremy! D.o.w.n. with Donovan1

Sedition is key! A new revolutionary order is at hand! If we don't deny the place held sacred for our Founders the greatness of our struggle is undeniable! Join us tonight as history unfolds before your your eyes. Your mission is clear! That you can be witness is testimony of your place upon the cosmos. The time to rise up and claim your birthright has fallen upon you tonight ! Our first missions the destruction of Bolshevism. Claim your birthright now before it is too late! Destroy the Bolsheviks before they turn America into the USSR!

Sedition is key! A new revolutionary order is at hand! If we don't deny the place held sacred for our Founders the greatness of our struggle is undeniable! Join us tonight as history unfolds before your your eyes. Your mission is clear! That you can be witness is testimony of your place upon the cosmos. The time to rise up and claim your birthright has fallen upon you tonight ! Our first mission is the destruction of Bolshevism. Claim your birthright now before it is too late! Destroy the Bolsheviks before they turn America into the USSR!

Sedition is key! A new revolutionary order is at hand! If we don't deny the place held sacred for our Founders the greatness of our struggle is undeniable! Join us tonight as history unfolds before your your eyes. Your mission is clear! That you can be witness is testimony of your place upon the cosmos. The time to rise up and claim your birthright has fallen upon you tonight ! Our first mission is the destruction of Bolshevism. Claim your birthright now before it is too late! Destroy the Bolsheviks before they turn America into the USSR!

Hail R on Jeremy!

Sedition is key! A new revolutionary order is at hand! If we don't deny the place held sacred for our Founders the greatness of our struggle is undeniable! Join us tonight as history unfolds before your your eyes. Your mission is clear! That you can be witness is testimony of your place upon the cosmos. The time to rise up and claim your birthright has fallen upon you tonight ! Our first mission is the destruction of Bolshevism. Claim your birthright now before it is too late! Destroy the Bolsheviks before they turn America into the USSR!

Hail R on Jeremy! D.o.w.n with Donovan!

I have my doubts Gingrich will ever be a serious contender for president. He's (in my opinion) simply a rather mean-spriited person, and he's not good at hiding it.

I think he makes a deliberate attempt to not hide it, IMO. He;s also a blatant hypocrite since he went after Clinton for having s e x with an intern all the while stepping out on his own wife.

Sounds like someone's lost their grip, and it sure ain't me Sweetheart.

Done feeding this troll.

Any time. He, like the others, sometimes crawl out of nowhere.

Agreed on all counts. Even without his hypocritical politics, he's a despicable human being. Lots of the neo-cons just LOVE him. That speaks volumes as well.

Get right on that, will ya, Bluto? You and Newt will make a fine team.

Maybe he does make a deliberate attempt not to hide his mean-spiritedness — I donno. Mean-spirited people seem to be attracted to other mean-spirited people and maybe he thinks there's enough of his kind. But my feeling is the majority of Americans don't like mean-spiritedness in their leaders.

I think you're r i g h t critmas s. I know it turns me off when the leaders elected by the people to lead this country display such mean spiritednes s.

I agree completely. That's another one of the reasons the TEA Party movement is doomed.

The relevance of this off-the-wall comment would be…?

Have you read the Arizona law to which you refer?

Would you care to cite the part of it you refer to here?

Why do you wander around the site making irrelevant comments–and then repeating them?

You seem to be stuck in dumb gear…

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2162c.htm

Above is the link to the bill. Below is prevailing verbage throughtout the bill:

D. A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in the enforcement of this section except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona constitution.

The dumbas#es are the ones who can't read, or interpret this bill

It may be drivel to you–just your way of dismissing something that I'm right about, and for you to avoid talking about, because you're on the wrong side

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Ol' Roddy's just copying and pasting comments again. Must be bored.

I see you can't handle the facts, and Obama and Hillary are void too–lying through their teeth last week.

If you have an accent, you will be profiled and arrested without cause in Arizona, according to Obama and Hillary–which is a flat out lie.

You people need to grow a pair and quit supporting the leftist lies by the media

I think "ol Roddy lost his numb nuts too…..LOL!!!

It's what trolls do best–besides evading the subject at hand…….DONTCHA KNOW? <wink wink>

know full well the bill specifically makes it illegal to profile

ROFLMAO!!!!

LOL…

There you go Roddy. Hey Ann, explain how this country will be turned into a "police state". Then explain how you would enforce laws re: illegal immigration.

I seem to recall having heard that drivel before…

Wipe the c r@p from your eyes and take a good look around.
"If you dont break the law you have nothing to fear" It is happening at analarming rate. And you people WELCOME it. You think gov't will make the world safe, so you can be nice and cozy snug. As far as illegals, the very 1st step is to go after the EMPLOYERS who hire them.

"The present Republican Party is a disgrace …" Oh, really? Biden tosses the f-word in front of an open mike, and what happens? The Dems sell t-shirts to raise money! A Republican lawmaker shouts "You lie" during BO's healthcare fiasco and what happens? He's censured on the floor! A Democratic lawmaker expresses concern about overloading an island in fear it will capsize… Who's a disgrace?

ZZZZ.
W r o n g
Thanx 4 playin' tho.

Hispanics are historically very conservative. Devout Catholic; pro-family; pro-marraige.

The key for the liberals is to dupe as many illegal aliens, or 1st generation citizens here that can't fully understand English.

If Hispanics only knew how evil and dangerous liberalism has been, they'd run for the hills

Yeah, that is why they are leaving mexico and South America in droves, because it is a mecca for liberalism…

No contradiction.
"i am mad as h3ll, and i aint gonna take it no more"
Ive seen ENOUGH of what you all are doing to this world.

They're here unintentionally bankrupting California and Arizona becasuse of liberals' will to place as many on social assistance as possible, keeping them prisoners the rest of their lives.

At least in Mexico, they had some freedom.

Of course, the bleeding heart liberal scoffs at the fact that CA and AZ have bankrupt school systems, healthcare systems, because of ilegal aliens who have flodded the system. They actually believe it's some sinister Republican conspiracy.

You and your cronies keep referring to "commies" at the University of Iowa. Yesterday the catch phrase was "burned out leftover radical 60's hippies."

Neither you nor your loudmouth buddies, however, has provided a single word to back uo your foolish claims.

Moreover, it's generally accepted that the 60s ended at midnight on Dec. 31, 1969. Let's disregard the fact that the "hippie movement" had been over for several years by then. And let's say that somebody whom you characterize as a "commie" or "hippie" was 30 years old at the time.

That person is now 70, and retired.

So here's your assignment, and you can pass it along to Bluto:

Please, if you would be so kind, identify 10 "commies" at the University of Iowa.

Please identify, if you would, 10 "burned out leftover radical 60's hippies" in charge of ANYTHING in Johnson County.

I'd note that the last time the CPUSA fielded a presidential slate, Gus Hall and Angela Davis were the top candidates. Ol' Gus died a decade ago, and he was a joke for the last 40 years of his life.

Disclaimer: I have no connection with Johnson County, nor do I have any ties whatsoever to the University of Iowa, and I certainly do not advocate the policies either of hippies or of the CPUSA!

Yeah. it's drivel.

The boycotts are from the liberal lies perpetrated in the media.

They create hysteria, blame Republicans to garner support from the Hispanic community. Truly awful people–the DNC

Nothing if he's an attorney.

Thanks for the laugh, Kitty!

Had a rough morning with my clients. One dressed, then decided he wanted to wear shorts, was mad at me because I would NOT let him take a soda for lunch, then used mouthwash and spit into the kitchen sink, which upset one of his roommates, etc.

However, my MRDD guys have integrity and good intentions that I have never inferred from any of our trolls…

Any time. Glad you had fun even if the morning was rough.

Ann, 8-month pregnant mothers jump to fence to have instant amnesty and free healthcare in the US. Then there is housing assistance, welfare, food stamps, and more free healthcare for the illegal aliens

The very first step is throwing away the social services programs created by liberals–who give illegals incentive to travel here illegally

It's very sad, particularly when there are some fine leaders in the Republican Party–and I mean genuine, conservative, old-style Republicans–who are being spurned by the likes of Newt, DeLay, Cheney, and their like.

It would be wonderful to be able to debate real political issues on real political grounds, rather than having to contend with rhetorical obfuscation and outright lies from people who claim the mantle of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower. What a flock of small-minded pantywaists they are!

(and typical)

Liberal hysteria, directly from Hillary and Obama's speeches last weekend–stoking the fire.

Why? They're both either incorrect, misinformed, or flat out lying about the AZ immigration law

DeLay would know about gerrymandering considering what he tried to do with Texas.

Exactly! I was referring to that fiasco where the Texas legislative Democrats were incommunicado to deny DeLay's lackeys the quorum they needed to push (putsch?) through the partisan redistricting. Remember how DeLay wanted the Dems arrested and brought by force back to Austin?

Talk about an abuse of power…

There's an answer. Let's see if they print it…

Well, isn't that just hilarious. that was my sixth presidential election, and I voted for John Anderson too.

Yes, it was a complete farce. I was cheering the dems on when they fled to Okiahoma hoping they would be able to wait the rat out.

You have no rebuttal for the lies coming out regarding a much-needed immigration law. There are numeroud lies stoking the fire–and you can't defend them

Now, THERE'S a genuinely hilarious post!

I'm just envisioning ol' Bluto and his acolytes chortling and rubbing their hands together and slavering over lascivious thoughts!

I guess my questions devolve on this:

"Fox News is no more biased in a number of their programs then other news organizations.'

1. What number constitutes "a number of their programs?" Their sports scores and stock market quotations, for example, are accurate. So are SOME of their "news" reports. None of their "analysis" programs, a large part of their broadcasting, are unbiased, by definition.

2. To what other news organizations was Fox compared? MSNBC? PBS? CNN? ABC, CBS, and NBC? Answers would vary for each of these, I would suspect.

3. By whom was the study funded–or for what purpose was it conducted?

I'm not questioning your source, but just pointing out that studies can lie, and sometimes better than individual people. Given the right subjects to interview, I could write a study that proves the earth is flat and the moon constructed of Limburger.

Okay, RustyPipe, go to Rich Greer's letter, where I've posted a link about the problems with the AZ law. I also have a post hung up in admin.

I'm more than willing to rock 'n' roll with ya, as you saw in the thread about Israeli conduct against the Palestinians. I have a few SG-43's ready to rock… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-43

Okay, RustyPipe, go to Rich Greer's letter, where I've posted a link about the problems with the AZ law. I also have a post hung up in admin.

I'm more than willing to rock 'n' roll with ya, as you saw in the thread about Israeli conduct against the Palestinians. I have a few SG-43's ready to rock… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-43

Okay, RustyPipe, go to Rich Greer's letter, where I've posted a link about the problems with the AZ law. I also have a post hung up in admin.

I'm more than willing to rock 'n' roll with ya, as you saw in the thread about Israeli conduct against the Palestinians. I have a few SG-43's ready to rock… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-43

Okay, RustyPipe, go to Rich Greer's letter, where I've posted a link about the problems with the AZ law. I also have a post hung up in admin.

I'm more than willing to rock 'n' roll with ya, as you saw in the thread about Israeli conduct against the Palestinians. I have a few SG-43's ready to rock… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-43

Politically correct boycotts.

Origin of boycotts? Liberal media hysteria
Origin of European hate for Bush? Liberal media hysteria

Origin of most lies and perceptions ? Liberal lies from liberal media

Just playing by the rules I learned from you, Ron_Jeremy_Cupcake.

Ol' Roddy has no rebuttal when the truth slaps him in the face so he's resorting now to mindles s copy and paste rants.

Niice.

You will believe what you choose to believe, whether it has any basis in fact or not.

Believe it and be happy.

The origin of some of the Arizona boycotts is from conservative citizens of Arizona, by the way…

I have this question, John, about Karl Rove. How do you build a "permanent Republican majority" if, as Arthur Schlesinger contended, American politics oscillates from left to right?

Tom DeLay provided one answer: shameless partisan gerrymandering. People like Rove and DeLay are a far greater threat to our freedom than Osama Bin Laden ever was…

My very first vote was in 1980, and I voted for independent Anderson(sp?) over Reagan and Carter

Do you know how to do anything other than cut and paste your own material–over, and over, and over again?

Exactly! I was referring to that fiasco where the Texas legislative Democrats were incommunicado to deny DeLay's lackeys the quorum they needed to push (putsch?) through the partisan redistricting. Remember how DeLay wanted the Dems arrested and brought by force back to Austin?

Talk about an abuse of power…

I agree about a thousand percent about how dangerous they are. They very nearly brought it off, too, and came dangerously close to establishing what I can only describe (using the real meaning of the term) as a Fascist state.

Those people, it seems to me, are arrogant enough to believe in themselves as genuine power brokers. Most of them go back to the College Republican movement back in the late 60s, with suck luminaries as Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist. They very much followed the Saul Alinsky model, and believed in it passionately. There goal was nothing less than a Republican–or, more correctly, neo-conservative–hegemony that could attract the majority of the American people by promising bread and circuses, while actually furthering their own political cause.

they were wrong, of course, and Schlesinger was correct. The American people are, finally, too sensible to buy snake oil for very long. But when they managed to elect Reagan, and then to sanctify him, they really believed they could do it. The election of Dubya simply proved it for them.

That's why they are so astounded–and so bitterly angry–about their complete repudiation in 2008. That's why the TEA party, that's why the bellowing threats about the 2010 election, that's why their intractible belief in their failed cause.

They may indeed find minor victories in the future, but the people have moved on, and their days of power are numbered.

There are several excellent books on this topic, and they're easy enough to find.

Rove and Cheney are particularly problems, because they're the puppeteers behind the scenes for a lot of this. DeLay, of course is behind the TEA party folks.

Just my own opinion, as always…

Well, isn't that just hilarious. that was my sixth presidential election, and I voted for John Anderson too.

Yes. Without researching, I believe he garnered enough votes to receive federal funds for his campaign? Not sure if it was 8% ??

I was cheering for them too. DeLay even put out warrants for their arrest as soon as they got back to Texas.

The funniest thing was watching DeLay caper and cavort around, pitching a duck fit, and unable to get his crybaby way.

Meanwhile, his handlers in Washington were pretty honked off too.

Now, THERE'S a genuinely hilarious post!

I'm just envisioning ol' Bluto and his acolytes chortling and rubbing their hands together and slavering over lascivious thoughts!

Now, THERE'S a genuinely hilarious post!

I'm just envisioning ol' Bluto and his acolytes chortling and rubbing their hands together and slavering over lascivious thoughts!

No, by normally refusing to rebut the mindles s posts of the actual trolls on these boards I show more backbone than you and others on here do by copying and pasting the nonsensical posts that you do.

Done feeding this troll…….

As usual, WTF are you talking about?

Oh wait…you're another troll who's not playing with a full deck, D#CK.

Did you read my link?

It appears that history may be repeting itself, right wingers are a threat to America?In the 1930's some said that Jews/Christians were a threat to Germany as well. Were they right?

Just to be polite,, why don't YOU go to Arizona–or LA–and see first-hand why these folks risk so much to get here. Better yet, go to Mexico and take a Poverty Tour.

Then come back and give us a little slide show.

Why all this fuss and worry about Republicans. Throughout our history it has ONLY been the Democrats have taken extreme measures.

Woodrow Wilson, Democrat, rounded up thousands of citizens who spoke against government policy

Franklin Roosevelt, Democrat, rounded up citizens of Japanese decent and put them in camps.

What have Republicans done that equals what Roosevelt and Wilson did?

Republicans ended slavery. Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act. Republican Ronald Reagan established Martin Luther King, Jr. Day as a Federal Holiday…heck, even Martin Luther King, Jr. himself was a registered Republican….

LOL!!!

Good infomation here, thanks.

When you turn down your VA benefits, I might consider listening to your ideas about the Federal government taking care of it.

Were I to go back to grad school I too would likely go to the U of I due to its proximity and the fact that it has the graduate programs I would pursue. During my undergrad years I chose a much smaller private school since I came from a small school and didn't like the idea of just being a number.

Seems like the GOP is stealing the punchline from an old joke about the Democrats forming a circular firing squad…

Sad, really.

Another repetitive wingnut babbling to himself.

good god, a couple hundred in a militia group equate to 50 million republican voters??What is that? 1000th of 1% of the voting bloc?

What an asisine statement. Far right my a#s. They don't represent the party in any way. get a fricking grip

The lies from the left regarding the immigration law in Arizona is off the charts. How can you people look in the mirror? You know full well the bill specifically makes it illegal to profile. It says so in the bill, and we have Obama LYING in his Ottumwa Iowa stop.

You people don't have the courage to debate the actual bill

The tea party people don't want to be taxed up the a#s.

Apparently, that has been morphed into "Racists", Bigots" by the libby media

Compassionate. Nice word. My idea of compassion isn't taking money from others and giving it to people and then holding hands and singing praises to all of my progressive brethren as if you solved anything except helping to keep people in the chains of dependancy.

Any intelligent, thinking self aware, compassionate human being would surely hate what progressives like you stand for.

But tell me again how compassion squares away with your wish that Saddam's murderous regime would have stayed in power.

LOL…

Compassionate is not taking other people's money to give to another group and make them wallow in the mire of continual dependance, Ann. That's in fact cruel and unusual.

So…."any intelligent thinking, self-aware, compassionate human being would hate progressives and all they stand for." See! Anyone can play your game!

Good to see also you are on record as approving Saddam Hussein's murder of nearly 1 million Iraqi's.

We are a great country. Why does your ilk–especially Obama, have to conduct a world-wide apology tour? turning us into p#ssies

The lies from the left regarding the immigration law in Arizona is off the charts. How can you people look in the mirror? You know full well the bill specifically makes it illegal to profile. It says so in the bill, and we have Obama LYING in his Ottumwa Iowa stop.

You people don't have the courage to debate the actual bill

I dont have anything to fear, from anyone, Si.

When did you receive you medal of honor???

With out rich people,who will create jobs in this country? I never said that the right is perfect.

Once is enough, croega. We won't get far discussing theology, since we have very different views of the universe and our place in it. However, how do you square your defense of the rich with Christ's admonition, "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven?"

His ministry is to save lost souls.

His minsitry is to save lost souls.

croega, if the wealthy can increase their wealth without creating jobs, that's what they'll do. Why do you spend so much energy defending the rich and disrespecting gays, but say nothing about Christ's ministry to the poor?

Better examine that title deed: the Brooklyn Bridge was never up for sale.

croega, if the wealthy can increase their wealth without creating jobs, that's what they'll do. Why do you spend so much energy defending the rich and disrespecting gays, but say nothing about Christ's ministry to the poor?

Better examine that title deed: the Brooklyn Bridge was never up for sale.

I don't know what that has to do with what I said.

But since you went there, how about this? What would the rich do without the poor to do their work?

I don't know what that has to do with what I said.

But since you went there, how about this? What would the rich do without the poor to do their work?

Yeah, I noticed that. Not so veiled threats.

Sorry for the duplication, for some reason that happens. Salvation is found in Christ not wealth.

croega, in my mind, "salvation" is to be found in contemplating the stars of the night sky, the inner lives of animals, and in good-hearted human beings.

My decision about being christian was made after I was told by a "born-again" roommate in college that I would go to He** if I did not acept Christ as my savior.

You have NO clue what i stand for.

What IS your idea of compas sion? Sending your sons and daughters to go fight and di e in a war so you can keep your stock in the oil companys going, keep the money in YOUR pocket.? As long as YOU dont have to risk yer a s s, eh?
e v i l.

BH has no clue most of the time. Period.

After reading close to 500 posts in your profile, I have a real good idea what you are about, Ann…

Ad hom much BH?

Go fight your battles, do a good job, come back safe and leave the rest of us to debate your worthines s on these boards while you're gone.

Done feeding this troll.

Contemplation through the crack of the door.
Furthering for the perseverance of a woman.

Through the crack of the door one has a limited outlook; one looks outward from within. Contemplation is subjectively limited. One tends to relate everything to oneself and cannot put oneself in another's place and understand his motives. This is appropriate for a good housewife. It is not necessary for her to be conversant with the affairs of the world. But for a man who must take active part in public life, such a narrow, egotistic way of contemplating things is of course harmful.

He puts me to mind the larry Linville character on MASH, Major Burns…lol!

Troll on this one time. You ad hom as well as anyone on this site. Intellectually weak.

Don't worry…better men/women then you have/will answer their nation's call and take care of business…regardless how much you may whine and gnash your teeth over it.

True that. i should just ignore him, he is just so irritatingly arrogant…
A caustic agent, like lye in the brain…

Says the "troll"…

Then ignore me, it will save me having to answer stupid questions from you about "risk".

But it is a typical progressive response. Ensure to paint your opponent as "add your adjective", simply because they believe different from you.

If it helps you sleep at night, I feel the exact same about you.

My idea of compassion is that the individual be allowed to live his or her life with the freedoms and liberty the Delcaration and Constitution spell out, minus unecessary involvement by the federal government into their lives. Charitable giving in the 1980's was at its highest level ever, you know, the "decade of greed?"

BTW…I am currently in my 22nd year of military service and have deployed twice away from my family and preparing to deploy to Iraq for a second time very soon. Don't ever talk to me about risk.

In order for your opinion to mean anything to me i would have to have respect for you. That will never happen, so I do have to say-ignore me- the ONLY smart thing you have ever suggested.

Done.

I'm an NCO…you probably don't know the difference…

Stop me Ann!!! I'm failing in not feeding the trolls tonight…..

Whatever BH, whatever,

Troll on…..no teeth gnashing going on here…..

No love or respect lost on you either……

Intellectually weak? That's rich coming from one who ad homs then cries when someone fights back….You have nothing to offer on here most of the time except ad homs and biased crap that when refuted with the unvarnished truth is met with more biased crap.

Done feeding this troll……

I know, it is hard not to. On the one hand, they can be infuriating in their stubborn persistance in following one around, annoyingly like gnats buzzing about your head..and on the other, I sort of feel sorry for them being trapped in their narrow hateful mindset. I am thinking there is nothing really to fear, their bark is worse than their bite…it doesnt hurt to feed them once in a while. Keeps their self esteem up…lol

That is the 1st thing i think of when I read on of BH's posts, instantly came to mind, from the I-Ching, Hexagram 20. 2nd line..

Apart from Christ, there is no other salvation. I feel sorry for you.

Spare me your sympathy, croega. Once again, you make a sectarian argument to someone who obviously does not share your faith.

I simply reject the christian premise that there is only "one way" to "salvation," whatever THAT is. Spirit dwells in all of us, it is simply a matter of how we choose to express it.

How about you clean my sheath?

You're new to this forum I see, judging from your reputation score. Soon you'll learn who the truly vulgar and controversial posters on here are and who are not.

Until then save it.

Who appointed you admin?

Nope, I'll just keep doin' what I've always been doin'.

Good luck with that. No changes in posting habits being made here. Move along….

Do you see the "Report" link by every comment? Let admin know, and THEY make the determination.

Knock yourself out, ThePolice.

Due to many complaints we have had regarding controversial, vulgar, and inappropriate comments made by users, we have begun to actively monitor many comment streams. Thank you.

"All I ask of livin'
Is to have no chains on me."

Blood, Sweat, and Tears

Still claiming to be admin eh?

Nice try robot.

The REAL admin appears.

Given the robotic "thank you," and the sudden appearance of ThePolice in a conversation I was having with croega, I'm thinking multiple personality disorder.

Given the low rep score I think you're r i g h t.

One problem: this bozo can spell. croega couldn't spell her way out of a wet paper bag.