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Law reflects that being gay is not a choice
In response to Mr. Ron Telecky’s Jan. 25 guest column, his argument contained one serious flaw: his assumption that being gay is a behavioral choice. Gay people no more choose to be so than someone chooses to be left-handed.
Sure, they can, with lots of frustration and practice, learn to write right-handed, but it doesn’t keep them from being naturally left-handed. Same with being gay; you can practice being straight, even marry the opposite sex and raise a family, but it doesn’t make you straight. There are too many tragic stories of divorce, suicide and substance abuse resulting from the inner turmoil created by trying to live “the big lie.”
The Iowa Supreme Court understood this is not a choice and unanimously ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act was discriminatory.
The Founding Fathers knew that the popular opinion of the day often did not make good laws. Consequently, we elect representatives to do the right things on our behalf, not necessarily the most popular. No major piece of civil rights legislation was ever enacted by popular vote.
Iowa House and Senate leadership embrace this charge and that is why they are blocking the defense of marriage debate — because it’s the right thing to do.
Tony Browning
Cedar Rapids
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Well said tony. If we left it to popular vote we would still have segragation and woman wouldn't be voting. just because something isn't popular doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do
Good letter Tony, just wish more people thought like you.
Waiting for the old scare tactics to start soon. So let's address some of them right now.
1–Same-sex marriage will inevitably lead to polygamy, incest, and marriage between people and animals. A number of countries allow SSM and there is absolutely no evidence for this assertion coming out of any of them.
2–SSM has led to the downfall of societies soon after it was implemented. Another off the wall assumption. Are we to believe Canada, the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, South Africa, and Spain are about to fall into the abyss?
3–SSM is "unnatural." As Tony has pointed out in his letter, this is just not true. Much scientific evidence to challenge this assumption.
4–And finally, SSM threatens traditional marriage. There must be a lot of people in this country who are in rather weak relationships and are looking for someone to blame.
Even though the radical religious right wing keeps repeating these charges, it still doesn't make them true.
I agree completely with the ideas you've presented, except one.
Ron Telecky's guest column of January 25 was filled with flaws from the first word to the last. Ron Telecky didn't present a single argument to support his contention that a vote amending the Constitution be held, or gays and lesbians not be allowed to marry.
Why is the Gazette so obsessed with the " Gay " subject that they print a disgusting letter on the subject weekly it seems. Homosexual activity has been scorned throughout eternity and will NEVER be an accepted practice , regardless of laws and equality claims. It is a disgusting and untidy practice that should not be seen in the light of day and can not be hidden.
If it were not for the disgusting contingencies, no one would care if folks were good friends. But as is developing, even normal friendships and relationships are awkward.
"Homosexual activity has been scorned throughout eternity and will NEVER be an accepted practice ."
Once again you prove you are completely out of touch. Historically, homosexuality has been accepted in many cultures. Read up, Silace, if you can get over your fear long enough to research the matter.
Would venture that we have had jnterchange with more humanity and cultures than most , and find your comments to be entirely wrong. The only people raving on on the subject are the unacceptable. Most are so repulsed by the subject that they resist comment. Those that have decided to codon , are regretting letting it get so out of control.
It is getting to be in our face so much that it is hard to ignore.
So you are saying those uf us that believe in equal rights, humanity and dignity are unacceptable?
The Gazette prints letters that are a reflection of what's on people's minds. They provide a forum for us to say what we believe. If they didn't you certainly wouldn't have been allowed to express your beliefs on the subject. No matter how out of date and hypocritical they may be. When people like you start to get over the idea that homosexuality is only about sex and not love, then maybe more will come to accept it. As for gay marriage, it has absolutely no effect on my daily life so why would I care what others are doing? I'd much rather witness a same sex couple in a loving relationship than an opposite sex couple without one.
Why does the Gazette print ANYTHING? It's because the editors perceive that the topic is of general interest and will generate readership/ad revenue for their enterprise. You aren't anti-business, are you Silace?
They do not print things that do not fit their priorities and viewpoints. Have tested them . Seems to carryover to this venue to some extent.
They do indeed print things that they don't agree with. Remember, this is the editorial board who deemed McCain and Palin to be fit leaders for this country.
your obsession with McCain and Palin are starting to concern me. You should consider seeking professional help.
I get it on a regular basis. Psychologists have to, to ensure they don't inflict their personal opinions on their clients.
tiger, Are you a Psychologist?
Any prospects for recovery, we all stand in hope , You have proven to be such a considerate person.
A little therapy wouldn't hurt you either and make you as wise as you're supposed to be for your age.
Too late, have been consulted by experts and charge for my help , so will not respond without further remuneration. Have reached the status of an expert consultant on such matters. can provide references.
"Consulted by experts" — experts at/on what ? And what subject did they ask for consultation ?
Senility does not necessarily equate with stupidity. Might make an exception in your case if you feel qualified..
I know full well that you're far from stupid. That is why there is no excuse for your stance on this issue.
You have the ability to know better, but choose not to.
I'm bettin' the Gazette would prefer we all forgot about that.
No doubt.
lol, consider-this is gay, and Jacq is in the newspaper business.
Only as a consumer.
conserview, just how did you come to the conclusion that I am gay?
I'm sorry consider. It was a poor attempt of a joke. Forgive me.
No apology needed. I actually laughed at your comment. Not because of your attempt at humor, but that it so far from true! However, I am fairly open minded, so perhaps that confused you?
Again Silace, you know what this is about. Why are you here reading and posting hate continuously.? May I ask you who taught your children respect and tolerance for their fellow human being since it seems they are not 2 values you practice? That is an honest question.
You may respect whom you choose as may I. They are all over 65 so have developed their own opinions , which to your dismay are similar to mine although never found it necessary to bring the subject up with them. They developed their thinking based on their own observations.
Is it possible that " Straight" is as straight practices??
It's not dismay it's reality and I can see why they are similar to you. I am not sure about your question about straight practices though. Not sure what you mean.
Do not HATE anyone as you keep indicating, Feel sorry for some ? Probably , not hate.
I don't think Silace is "hating" on anyone, it's his opinion. Maybe he's just tired of hearing about it. It's their choice in lifestyles, live and let live. But enough of the flamboyant behavior, ok your gay, we get it. Like Silace I believe they will have to answer for the decisions they make as will we all.
He and like-minded others WILL keep hearing about it, until they stop trying to deprive Gays of their rights.
So remember, do not allow the uninformed a vote that affects the lives of a minority in a negative way, and you won't even be aware that they are all around you.
"It's their choice in lifestyles,"
Reread the letter.
"Like Silace I believe they will have to answer for the decisions they make as will we all."
Indeed, we will all be judged by the Flying Spaghetti Monster when our time comes, rAmen!
Can I get an AMEN!!
Actually, homosexuality has been accepted and rejected thoughout history. Ancient Greeks and then Romans accepted same sex attraction as normal and even encouraged their soldiers to develop relationships with other soldiers. They believed that would bond them together into a stronger fighting unit.
Since then, there has beed acceptance of homosexuality during the enlightenment, and other times as well. Even the time between WWI and WWII their was a broad acceptance of homosexuality in Europe.
Acceptance of homosexuality has ebb and flowed throughout history, this new modern day acceptance is not new.
True, but the Romans also used to crucify people too, but that doesn't mean we should do it today. Yes, Europe is also very homo friendly, but the men also run around in speedos and have been conquered by the Middle Easterners. We don't need to copy Europe which has now become an Islamic territory. There are more Arabs in Europe than in the Middle East itself. Europe is a lost cause….they are finished. Part of the reason why Muslims conquered Europe is because they saw the men running around in speedos holding hands and said to themselves "hey, Europe is weak, let's go conquer them" and the rest is history.
Why is the Gazette so obsessed with the " Gay " subject that they print a disgusting letter on the subject weekly it seems. Homosexual activity has been scorned throughout eternity and will NEVER be an accepted practice , regardless of laws and equality claims. It is a disgusting and untidy practice that should not be seen in the light of day and can not be hidden.
Should be added that homosexual activity has been a major spreader of the aids virus.
Should be added that heterosexual activity has been a major spreader of the aids virus.
Perhaps that is why we are admonished not to covet thy neighbors @$$.
Silace, I am sorry that your young friend passed so early. To base your bigotry on this one experience though does not respect his memory. People are not "of the mind" that they are gay, they either are gay or they aren't, we are born that way.
Also, to use that experience to say, "homosexual activity has been a major spreader of the aids virus," displays a narrow view of the entire disease. For instance, my grandfather contracted and died of tuberculosis back in the late 1940's. So should I draw the conclusion that old men have been a major spreader of Mycobacterium tuberculosis? Should we wear masks if we get too close to you lest we contract a deadly disease? It's an admitedly silly conclusion, just as your assertion is.
Globally, the vast majority of HIV infections have been contracted through heterosexual activity.
Straight people get aids also.
Should be added the spreading of STD'S is because of heterosexuals.
right, Gays don't have STD's. Is that what your saying Granny?
Just AIDS, but that doesn't count.
Also should be noted the amount of STD's running rampant thru the straight younger generation.
How do you determine them to be straight ? You folks keep indicating that Homosexuality is the accepted norm.
Statistics, facts etc. Same places you get your statistics.
Straight People Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look up rock , even it has been perverted. No one has bastardized Stone yet , someone needs to work on that one. Of course there is the perverted term stoned , where will it end.?
No one is going to change Silace's mind but take comfort knowing that he and his kind are quickly going the way of the dodo bird. Years from now we will look at people like this with the same curious disdain that we now have for those who thought interracial marriage is wrong.
It's not the Flying Spagetti Monster I fear duck. It's your choice whom you believe in. I like mine alot better then your. Good Luck! And it is a lifestyle choice.
Ah, if only the anecdotal beliefs of a delusional mind meant something.
Duck, Do you believe in God?
I believe we will never know the truth of the existence of a* god or not. I know the real question you wanted to ask and no, I am not a christian. I do not subscribe to organized religion.
Sorry, but don't confuse religion with being Christian. Thats an ongoing debate in our house. I'm not a big fan of religion, but I am Christian.
If you aren't such a big fan of religion, why do you adhere so blindly to religious dogma?
I'm Christian, I have faith. I don't feel I have to go beyond that with you.
Ah, forgive me for asking you to clarify how the unsubstantiated religious dogma of christianity somehow differs from all other religions.
I don't follow any one particular religion. I don't belong to a church. I have accepted Christainity through my own research, and beliefs. So I really can't answer your question fully because I'm not entirely familiar with all the other religions.
But you will still have to explain why you saw fit to discriminate against some of God's children.
good, you need it.
Why are you attacking her?
Back to using insults when unable to make a rational argument, are you?
ya know I'm starting to realize that it's more socially acceptable to be Gay then it is to be a Christian, and people wonder why there is so much evil in the world.
Much of that evil comes from those who profess to be good Christians.
With that I agree. I'm sick of people who claim to be Christians and then hate others who follow a lifestyle different from their own. It's my understanding that Jesus encouraged everyone to love everyone and acceptance was what he preached. In my opinion, anyone who claims to be a Christian shouldn't be looking down on others, but instead, loving them.
There is no hate here. Jesus did encourge love. The love of God.
You call gays perverted out of love? Now that is what I call perverted love.
There are a lot more Christians than Gays, so I think your point is invalid. When it comes to "evil in the world", a lot of this comes from bigots who call themselves (inaccurately, to my way of thinking) "Christians" and who use their religion as a club to oppress others.
I agree somewhat to the religion part, however as a Christian, I know that I'm not perfect, I know as do all Christians that we are born into sin. There are fanatical Christians out there to be sure. I'm just saying your going to get more abuse these days being Christian, then being gay. I'm not saying either is right.
So everyone else is supposed to roll over and let Christians walk all over them or else they are discriminating against Christians? Yes, obviously they are such a persecuted majority. If you can't see how ludicrous your accusation is then you are truly blind.
agree Henry, some bad Christians. I'm trying to be a better Christian then them, most of us are. So it's kind of a dumb comparision.
Most of we " Christians " it seems have studied the options and have found religion offers better opportunities for a pleasant life and a hope , maybe only a hope for a pleasant hereafter. May be worth leaving the door , at least slightly ajar.? Do also enjoy the company of the kind friendly folks, with all of our foibles. .
A pleasant life for you, and sheer misery for anyone you deem to be different.
Glad to hear you are trying to be better. But your post implied that non-christians are responsible for more evil in this world than christians. I was just trying to show you that any group which contains mass murders like Hitler, Stalin, and god has no right to claim a higher moral standard than any other group. Just because christians keep repeating that idea doesn't make it true. There's enough good and evil around to be spread evenly amongst all human groups. I think it's not necessarily a dumb comparison.
I agree Henry. I'm not trying to defend Hitler, but it's like saying all Muslims are terrorist, which is not true, there are radical Muslims, and radical Christians. I doubt very much that God saw Hitler as a good Christian.
God gave them the will to make their own decision. I'm not discriminating against them. I have a sister who is a lesbian. I love her very much, although I do not agree with her lifestyle.
Did he give you the will to be straight? Are you choosing that life style?
Do you think that anyone would "choose" to live in such a way, that they can be discriminated against , despised and treated like lepers?
He gave me the will to choose.
They certainly don't get "despised and treated like lepers" anymore. Don't you think their are people that "were" gay at one time in their lives? Now they are straight.
Tell that to my friend the pastor's son who tprayed for 6 years to change. He even attempted exodus international and other extreme measures to "change". He killed himself in 2006 becuase nothing worked to change him. I wonder how good it feels to think that you have not only failed your family but the god that is supposed to love you unconditionally.
I do have great empathy for your friend. I'm very sorry for your loss. Gods love is not unconditional. Please understand God knows what is in your heart, you cannot presume to recieve Gods love by words spoken or acts that you make, but by whats in your heart.
This is where I disagree totally in my "religion" I grew up being taught God is great and God is good. Now you are telling me God's love is not "unconditional"? I am so glad your God is different than mine. When people start claiming God is going to send you to he77 for what you do, well then I stop listening. I treat others with the respect and dignity they deserve. That is what Jesus wants us to do. If I go to He77 because of that, so be it.
There is only one God. We all sin. I try to live my life with God guidance. If one of your grandchildren tried to touch a hot burner on the stove, would you stop them? Of course you would. It's the same premise. There are consequences to your behavior.
with all due respect, that is not even a good comparison. You are saying you live with God guidance? How about "Treat others as you expect to be treated"? Where does that fall in with God's guidance?
I treat everybody with the respect and dignity they deserve. If somebody asks me about my opinion about the path they are on, I will give it to them
Amen, Grandma!
I consider Duck's friend to be a Martyr to the bigotry and hatred in this world.
He now is where you can only wish to be.
I hope he is in Heaven, I pray that God forgave him.
There is nothing to forgive. He was as God made him to be and I hope He will forgive you for being willfully blind to that.
With all due respect, I don't believe it works like that.
You don't believe a great many things that nevertheless are true.
God's love isn't unconditional you say? Gee, so glad your God is different from mine conserv because the church I grew up going to said that His love was unconditional.
So if your worship satan, if have evil in your heart. Gods gonna be ok with it? Better check out another church.
I would venture someone practicing that type of religion wouldn't give a rip about God's unconditional love since they're obviously not worshipping Him. Lame example you gave there. And no I don't need to find another church nor do I practice ANY specific religion, not that it is yours or anyone's business.
Sorry I was not trying to mke it my business. Its just my opinion. No matter what you may think there are consequences to the decisions you make.
No problem. And my conscience regarding my decisions is perfectly clear.
I'm glad. Take care
Satan is a great trickster, who sows seeds of hate in mens hearts…like the hate that brews thru false religion…
I wonder how anyone who is close to and loves a gay person could ever continue to call being gay a lifestyle choice.
What do you call it then Owen?
Hmmm… A natural variation?
A natural variation? …no comment
How about "life"? You don't call it a "straight" lifestyle so why would you call theirs a "gay" lifestyle?
Besides their partners, what is the differences between the "gay lifestyle" and the "straight lifestyle"?
nothing really, you can be "straight", and still be a pervert.
Well said….
Are you a Psychologist?
Yes.
David Brock, who maligned Anita Hill with the now infamous "a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty" line, wrote about his experience as a gay conservative in "Blinded by the Right." What I see here from Silace and Conserview is representative of what Brock described as the right's "visceral hatreds."
Sad how some folks declaim their values loudly, yet whimper like beaten dogs when they are censured.
Ok, What if you had a client that was gay, and wanted your help to get straight. What would you advise they do? I'm not trying to test you, I would like to hear your opinion. It is my opinion that many gays are just confused about their sexuality. What say you?
The APA put a stop to "curing" them during the 50's, when many committed suicide after finding out it didn't work.
Our focus now is to help them accept themselves for who they are, and to cope with the abuse they get from the straight world.
You abuse them when you try to deny them the right to be who they are. Also, they are abused whenever people like you opine here, based on nothing but their fear and intolerance, or when parents disown their gay children, or when they are denied a job or being mocked by cretins.
Exchange the word Gay for the word conserview and imagine if you can how you would feel in their shoes.
your missing the point tiger. I'm not talking about the socialital impact, I'm talking about the person. Is it plauseable (as a Psychologist) that a gay person could be straight? Or that people sometimes engage in homosexual activity when in fact they are straight?
No it's not plausible. Sexual orientation is biologically determined. While a straight person could engage in homosexual activity, they could not sustain it, because they would be drawn back to the opposite sex, and they would not be able to love a person of the same sex the way a gay person does.
You keep focusing on sex only, when in fact homosexual relationships are as multifaceted as those of straights.
What about bi-sexuality? I'm not focusing on the sex. Simple question. Are you saying a homosexual cannot become straight?
So you could choose to be gay?
yes God gave me the choice.
God gave you the choice? So when did you make it. In order to make a choice you have to be presented with 2 options. Did you experience the gay option before or after you made your choice?
You made a choice of sexuality ??? When I was young I don't ever recall making a choice — was attracted to the opposite sex. I don't recall any of my friends ever talking about "making a choice". ( Probably would have expressed a dumbfounded look if ever asked about making a choice.)
Everyone is confronted with different choices all the time, perhaps you were never confronted with the choice in sexuality, but I'm willing to bet that you were confronted with other choices that I hope you made the correct decision.
Well of course we are confronted with different choice all the time !!!! But I was never "confronted with the choice of sexuality". How would I ever have been confronted with that choice ???
I give you Matthew Shepard for one. What do you think the posts here convey to them?
The words abomination and unnatural come to mind right away.
Would you like to be described that way?
Of all the vicious stuff handed out by the libbies, The lord high " admins " can not stand for rebuttal in kind.
Yep> provides for a lot of amusing entertainment however. The source always negates the attempt at slander.
What's not funny is how Christians profess loudly from the mountain tops that theirs is a religion of love and compassion, yet they have a long history of torture, murder and genocide against those who they disagree with.
Wish they would quit using " Gay " as a descriptive term for perversion. Pervert is a common word , not considered as bad.
Bigotry is also against what Jesus believed.
Got two hanging fire in the censors office , must have an overload today.
Can you say "misanthrope"?
In all of the ages, why has not an original accepted description been arrived at for some one who thinks they are something other than what equipment came with them?? As long as the spoken word has been around you would think there would have been an independent descriptive set of terms for these " normal " folks..
Silace you are so focused on others sex lives I am really thinking YOU might be perverted….
The gazette does not allow such critic of you , Bias??
The word "homosexual" only came into use in the 19th century. Before then, few people thought there was a need for the word. If it makes you feel better, Silace, gays were routinely burned alive in medieval Europe, along with witches. Alexander the Great never saw a need for a label, and he had male partners.
And yes, complaining about the administrator or "libbies" is "whimpering like a beaten dog."
Sounds as if the problem was observed in medieval Europe and they chose to thin the herd? Does not seem like the people have ever condoned open activity.
The " admins " would not allow me to refer to you kind people as beaten dogs. They in that way show their bias and restrictive attitude regarding fair and balanced..
As I recall , Alexander the great did not go over too well. could it be , narrow minded folks dumped him for some cause.
You must be thinking of Alexander the Stupid. Alexander the Great was struck down at the height of his power by illness, not by revolt. He went out at the top of his game, such as it was- by all accounts he was pretty much a head case, thinking he was a diety of some sort.
Probably had aids?
Probably not, since it didn't exist 2000+ years ago.
Why don't you google "death of Alexander the Great" — doesn't really sound like the last days of someone with AIDS. But that comment didn't really orginate from your belief that he had AIDS, did it ?
Not really, just an uncalled for feeble attempt at snidility, forgive
What do you mean "…did not go over too well." ????
You ever hear of the city of Alexandria? And did you know that Cleopatra was last in a long line of Pharaohs, descendant from Alexander the Great?
A little etymology for you, Silace. A "fagot" is a bundle of sticks used as kindling: now you know where your favorite epithet came from.
Nope. All ears.
Matthew Shepherd was killed because he was gay. Gays are attacked on these boards here and everywhere. My sister was raped and stoned by a straight man trying to convert her back to being straight. They are abused.
Do you think I'm attacking them? By disagreeing with their lifestyle, is that an attack?
God gives us many options, and choices that we have to make. Sometimes we make the right choice, sometimes we make the wrong choice. It's all about learning and accepting. We are not perfect, but we strive to be.
You didn't answer my question….did you experience both options so you could make a conscious choice?
lol no.Thank God I never was put in a position to have to choose.
So what you are saying is you didn't choose to be straight, but gays choose to be gay? Is that the way I understand this?
I choose to avoid that environment.
You did not answer my question please…You didn't choose to be straight, but gays choose to be gay, is that what you are saying?
With all due respect, could you answer my question? You didn't choose to be straight, but gay people choose to be gay? Is that what you believe?
it is a choice..yes.
How very hypocritically christian of you.
My hope is when they are introduced to these temptations they can fall back on the values that their mother and I taught them through our faith. God gave everybody free will. He gives you the ability to choose. YOU have the choice to do good, or to do bad. These are my opinions, simple as that. You can disagree with me all you want but I would hope that you all teach your children good, and that there are consequences to the decisions they make.
I hope this clears it up for all of you. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
What about r e s p e c t and t o l e r a n c e for your fellow human being?
that was the second half of the letter. The first half is being held up by admin. so read the entire letter before you judge
You are saying that people who are gay, unlike straight people must choose to be celibate.
You don't see the double standard in this?
sorry grandma, my letter was to long and had to be split up, what is showing now is the end of the letter, hopefully the beginning will come soon.
my letter was to big. what ya see here is the second half, hopefully the beginning will be coming soon. (admin is holding it up) sorry about the confusion
Mine get's held up and sometimes never show up. I would not judge you as it's not my job to judge. I do r e s p e c t you and your views. It's nice to debate this with someone who is respectable.
thank you Grandma. It is a good debate. My fear is that will come off looking hypocritical, even percieved hatefulness. which I am not.
Many are not disrespectful is what I meant..LOL
I was responding to another post, sorry. However you did say they choose their lifestyle, you still haven't answered my question. When did you make your choice?
That doesn't seem to stop them, hence the word hypocrite.
And you don't consider discrimination abuse? Shame.
Is it not strange that the zealots who drove him to it see themselves as blameless?
Yet they call what others do an abomination and don't see how the term applies to them instead.
You are correct…..bigotry is also an abomination but yet it's practiced every day by Christians and the like. Someone once said I wish Christians were more Christ like and I agree….
Next time I see a Man in his tighty whities outside a gay bar, I'm calling the cops for indecency. You don't see this crud outside regular bars
How often do you go to gay bars? And my guess is you don't go to many bars, I have seen indecency and a whole lot more by straight couples…LOL
Yeah I haven't seen much of men running around in their tighty whities, and I've spent a fair amount of time in gay bars. I'm guessing childofcorn must go a lot more than I do.
I got three words for ya. Girls. Gone. Wild.
I've seen worse inside and out side of straight bars.
The only thing that would be indecent about tighty whities would be if they had skid marks on them. They are certainly not as revealing as most swimwear.
It appears to me that Silace is the one who is obsessed with Gays, there isn't a story on the subject he's not all over pronouncing nonsense. I think Silace protests too much, I wonder why???
He's repressing some urges.
Ya think? LOL
Yeah, when someone acts that threatened by an issue, it's a safe bet.
These comments kind of rounds em up for branding.
Where has Harper been> He left you folks alone to be overwhelmed by the straight majority.
Huh? The "straight majority" doesn't give a hoot about the personal life of gays. Their sexuality is irrelevant, for obvious reasons. What is important is equal treatment under civil law.
Been busy Silace. But looking through these comments it appears you're the one who has been overwhelmed. I don't think many people agree with your way of thinking.
Don't know about that, looks like the same shrill minority. bunch to me. I'm retired and have time to speak out , and protect the interests for the majority folks who are at work and do not have idle time.
The majority of folks have no work, thanks to your beloved pro- corporate party.
Wow, it looks like Silace's train has come completely off the tracks.
It's only been on two wheels for a while.
Now ctigar , there you go being negative again. Cheer up and enjoy.
I enjoy life very much. And if you find my comment negative, look to change your attitude as I describe what I see.
yeah tigers getting more and more nasty. she is not very open-minded
Was it ever on the tracks to begin with?
Silace, it amazes me how much of a neg ative attitude you have against others that are "different" than you….better have ctiger look into it.
Amazed by how some subject like this can get gay protective folks so wound up. The whole subject needs to be flushed and not regurgitated every few days.
You seem far more wound up than anyone. Fortunately your ilk are a dying breed.
What is his "ilk"?
Trapped in the past and scared of new information religious Conservatives.
ah..Thanks, I'll take this "ilk" over your "ilk" anyday.
I'm lucky enough to still have a grandma alive who is around Silace's age and trust me she's far more open minded in her views than he is. And yes she's a Christian.
I wasn't really talking about physical age, but a mindset that seeks a return to the good old days that are gone for over two hundred years now.
I got the difference but for those who didn't I decided to point it out, mainly for Silace's sake, not that it will matter.
Ya never know. He might have an epiphany yet.
Impossible.
If your done know I'll go ahead and flush.
I doubt you can handle it without your Medicare paid for nurse.
For the love of little green apples, stop posting on gay matters, Silace, if you think "the whole subject needs to be flushed." Or, feel welcome to keep posting, but spare us the gripes about censorship and "libbies."
For the love of little green apples? lol Made me smile 2point. Good points!
You have all done very well now LET I GO for Pete's sake.
It makes you uncomfortable, no? That's as it should be as a signal that you need to be more insightful about this issue, instead of trying to dismiss it.
OOPS >> Clicked on the wrong the wrong garbage can by mistake. Thought it had been declared dead I guess.
Poverty has no greater foe than bashfulness.
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of course. I said before I have a lesbian sister, and I love her very much. It is their will, therefore their decision
I too have a gay sister and a wonderful sister in law and I love them both very much. You are a good person, even though we don't see eye to eye. You have a wonderful weekend!
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